SJC v. O’Connell - wild ending?

[Anonymous]

I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Yes, it sucks, but you only have five kids who you think are capable of converting a PK? It's the same thing as it always is with this guy. He belittles both his own players and opponents. We've all heard it. He's a disgrace to youth sports.

[Anonymous]

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it. He's failing the test at every corner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Confirmed. WCAC uses NFHS rules that say any player on the roster can be selected for end of game penalties. I assume there were three officials assigned to the game, and if none of them knew the rule or the lead official didn't listen to them is inexcusable.

As far as the SJC coach's reaction, you might not like it, but in the end he got his best five penalty takers to take them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Confirmed. WCAC uses NFHS rules that say any player on the roster can be selected for end of game penalties. I assume there were three officials assigned to the game, and if none of them knew the rule or the lead official didn't listen to them is inexcusable.

As far as the SJC coach's reaction, you might not like it, but in the end he got his best five penalty takers to take them.

Based on the refs I have seen in HS soccer, they probably didn't know the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Confirmed. WCAC uses NFHS rules that say any player on the roster can be selected for end of game penalties. I assume there were three officials assigned to the game, and if none of them knew the rule or the lead official didn't listen to them is inexcusable.

As far as the SJC coach's reaction, you might not like it, but in the end he got his best five penalty takers to take them.

In the end end he lost

[Anonymous]

SJC was right to complain. Refs should know the rules or be willing to look it up and verify with both coaches.
I coach and always have a rule book with me. There was no reason to escalate, prove your stance.

[Anonymous]

Where does Achilles practice other than SJC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where does Achilles practice other than SJC?

Primarily at SJC. Some/many of the MLS Next teams used to practice at the Maryland Soccerplex and other older teams sometimes practiced at a Silver Spring community center. But if access to SJC fields is lost, that will be very significant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just pulled up the SJC Handbook. https://www.stjohnschs.org/userfiles/sjchsmvc/documents/parents-resources/2023-2024-Student-Parent-Handbook-August-2023.pdf

Pages 20-25 speak generally to behavior and disciplinary procedures. A few pages later this is the section that specifically applies to behavior at athletic events:
"At athletic events, students are expected to always conduct themselves in a sportsman-like manner. This means that students are
to treat players, coaches, officials, and all fans with courtesy and respect. The use of profanity will not be tolerated. Any violation
of these guidelines will result in removal from the event and may result in further disciplinary action. Certain egregious forms of
misconduct may also lead to dismissal."

This speaks only about students, but basically if a student behaved this way they could face serious disciplinary consequences. Hypocrisy if SJC doesn't hold its adults to the same standards.

Achilles is the best technical environment to the area. The man is passionate. Something you’ll love if you’re on his team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just pulled up the SJC Handbook. https://www.stjohnschs.org/userfiles/sjchsmvc/documents/parents-resources/2023-2024-Student-Parent-Handbook-August-2023.pdf

Pages 20-25 speak generally to behavior and disciplinary procedures. A few pages later this is the section that specifically applies to behavior at athletic events:
"At athletic events, students are expected to always conduct themselves in a sportsman-like manner. This means that students are
to treat players, coaches, officials, and all fans with courtesy and respect. The use of profanity will not be tolerated. Any violation
of these guidelines will result in removal from the event and may result in further disciplinary action. Certain egregious forms of
misconduct may also lead to dismissal."

This speaks only about students, but basically if a student behaved this way they could face serious disciplinary consequences. Hypocrisy if SJC doesn't hold its adults to the same standards.

Achilles is the best technical environment to the area. The man is passionate. Something you’ll love if you’re on his team.

No -- many are on his team (some 2x with SJC and Achilles) and not loving it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:O'Connell won today after PKs -- they now advance to the semi-finals. Yesterday's game was played at O'Connell and was tied 2-2. After dispute about who could shoot, SJC coach received yellow card followed by red card and kicked out of game. Ref had enough of coach, then said no PKs, game forfeited -- win to O'Connell. Ref contacted SJC athletic director about behavior of SJC coach. O'Connell coach said no, need to have PKs to confirm winner. SJC team (with a different coach) went back to O'Connell today to complete PKs. O'Connell won.

Ref sounds like an entitled prick. Forfeiting a game on behalf of an entire team of high school kids because ref sad mad.

The ref was wrong and the decision was overturned (shocker). Ref needs to stick with working U13 games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two points. One, Sal clearly needs some counseling. Two, every player on your team should be capable of taking a penalty. What kind of a message does it send to the players that your coach thinks its such a travesty for one player to not be able to take a penalty over another? This is how you lose a team and possibly a job.

Bad take. Of course anyone that is able to walk is CAPABLE of taking a penalty, but not every player is confident at them, wants to do them, or is good at them. Some kids love the pressure and/or are good at them. You do not lose a team by subbing a player out to put on your best PK taker. and lose your job for subbing on your best PK taker? Really? Hahah

Stop sniffing glue. I think everyone else understood I meant you lose the players not by making basic decisions but by throwing a tantrum over one kid taking a PK over another as if it's life and death. It's pretty common rule in soccer that whoever finishes the game is eligible for the PKs. Know the basic rules before you throw a fit. You lose your job by causing a scene at a playoff match that leads to referees contacting the school and the conference. I've got $100 that says he's done.

I’ll take that bet, little man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I looked at the high school rules after hearing about this situation and (to my surprise) the rules very clearly say that the coach can select any five players from the field or the bench. Not weighing in on whether or not it was worth arguing with the ref, but in defense of SJC coach, I can understand being frustrated that a ref doesn't know the rules and/or is unwilling to go look them up, given that it was a high stakes playoff game and coach may have made decisions in reliance on the rule.

Yes, it sucks, but you only have five kids who you think are capable of converting a PK? It's the same thing as it always is with this guy. He belittles both his own players and opponents. We've all heard it. He's a disgrace to youth sports.

Look at this clown moving the goal post. Coach was right. Ref sad mad. Nothing comes from this other than hire competent refs.

Next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SJC has a new President and may not be as forgiving as prior regime. Will be curious to see how things shake out. SJC boys have been in bottom half of WCAC last couple years (7 of 11 this fall) so can’t excuse this behavior because of winning.

This president is just as bad as the last if not worse. He was a chief offer at Under Armour before coming to SJC. Their AD stated "we want to be the next IMG". The girl's coach is just as bad (not behavior wise) but person wise. She went out and recruited a bunch of girls to come to SJC for soccer (especially for goalie) who are family friends and not that good. They are also out losing in the semi-finals. The school just listens to the coaches and are throwing the Catholic part of the school out the window.