Is IQ the be-all end-all?

[Anonymous]

Executive function is much more important. My autistic child has a high IQ but almost zero executive function. That limits her in almost every area of life. Someone with an average IQ but good executive function will be more successful at school and work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IQ of 110-135 is pretty privileged and yes it makes life easier.

< 100 and > 135 will struggle in different ways but as a parent you should understand that and try to mitigate

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and have attended many IEP meetings over the years. Most of these students have IQs in the lower to mid 70s so I’m happy with my son’s average IQ. My brother had a high IQ and zero common sense. He dropped out of college and defaulted on his student loan. It took forever for him to recover from it.

I doubt it. Those kids are usually not mainstreamed. Learning disabilities can be related to adhd, emotional, nonverbal disabilities, dyslexia and others. These kids have normal to high IQs

Mainstreamed? They aren’t considered intellectually disabled with IQs from 70-75 so of course they are in general ed. I teach them every day. They require a ton of repetition to retain information like letter names, sounds, sight words, etc.

The time commitment required of teachers for this type of kid is why they shouldn't be in the general ed classroom. The normal kids lose out. It's not okay or moral to subsidize the education of some kids that don't belong in the first place by not teaching others for whom the standard curriculum is developed for.

Only about 5% of people have an IQ in the 75 range. Only 5% of people have IQs over 125.

Everyone seems to be overestimating how many people are in these ranges.

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Anonymous wrote:Executive function is much more important. My autistic child has a high IQ but almost zero executive function. That limits her in almost every area of life. Someone with an average IQ but good executive function will be more successful at school and work.

Same with my son. IQ, like everything else, doesn’t mean a whole lot when it stands alone. There are many other factors that are just as important when it comes to learning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and have attended many IEP meetings over the years. Most of these students have IQs in the lower to mid 70s so I’m happy with my son’s average IQ. My brother had a high IQ and zero common sense. He dropped out of college and defaulted on his student loan. It took forever for him to recover from it.

I doubt it. Those kids are usually not mainstreamed. Learning disabilities can be related to adhd, emotional, nonverbal disabilities, dyslexia and others. These kids have normal to high IQs

Mainstreamed? They aren’t considered intellectually disabled with IQs from 70-75 so of course they are in general ed. I teach them every day. They require a ton of repetition to retain information like letter names, sounds, sight words, etc.

The time commitment required of teachers for this type of kid is why they shouldn't be in the general ed classroom. The normal kids lose out. It's not okay or moral to subsidize the education of some kids that don't belong in the first place by not teaching others for whom the standard curriculum is developed for.

Only about 5% of people have an IQ in the 75 range. Only 5% of people have IQs over 125.

Everyone seems to be overestimating how many people are in these ranges.

Those lower IQ kids are concentrated in poorer communities so their teachers still have to teach them in general ed along with the rest of the class.

[Anonymous]

How do you guys even know your IQs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

Very few people do. Most guess or cherry pick based on some sort of standardized test or group test given in school. Many people incorrectly use their kid's CogAT score as the IQ when talking about IQ. Very few people have any need to know their IQ or their kids' IQs.

IQ measures something, but it isn't the be all and end all. After a point, "gifted is as gifted does," and kids who are doing well in advanced classes in high school will likely continue doing well in college and beyond. Kids struggling in high school will likely continue struggling, even if they have a high IQ.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist.

I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist.

I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores.

Were your kids evaluated because of learning disabilities? Those are the ones that also have deeper evaluations from a psychologist and educational testing to see what grade level the student is at in every subject.

Legitimate IQ tests take 1 to 2 hours to administer and it’s best taken with only a specialist in the room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a very high IQ, measured several times in my teens. Mom was a trophy-seeker.

It ceertainly doesn't hurt to have a high one but IMO ambition and work ethic matter more after some point, if you want accomplishment.

I think there's a sweet spot at the 95th percentile of so where a person with ambition and drive can really do well. DH is one, I think.

I am 99.9 percentile, little ambition. I did fine career-wise but am not a Nobel Laureate or anything notable in the STEM world.

You understand what the 95th percentile means? Because if you do and you still make a comment like that I have to wonder.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist.

I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores.

Were your kids evaluated because of learning disabilities? Those are the ones that also have deeper evaluations from a psychologist and educational testing to see what grade level the student is at in every subject.

Legitimate IQ tests take 1 to 2 hours to administer and it’s best taken with only a specialist in the room.

My magnet kid had an extremely high IQ. Among the highest scores in the state. Self starter, and I just let her be. Finished a top Ivy in three years. No guarantee of happiness though and I worked, and still do, at making her a happy person. My other daughter is close in scores and went to a similar school and is happy and a busy mom which makes her pleased. Both are successful today.

I was born a very premature twin and went to a children's hospital out of a fear I would be slow. I came to reading late but the school identified a high IQ for my brother and me. My single mother had no academic background whatsoever other than struggling through high school, and circumstances were tough. She was a modest and humble person who didn't tell us our scores but the school later did as part of a scheme to get us to aim high (don't think it would be done today). My mother was of the type that you are only as smart as the last smart thing you did, so IQ and notions of innate intelligence was minimized. It is odd - I had limited self esteem over academics but really a positive thing. I started to do well in school when the attitude hit that the more you know the less you actually know. And I didn't do it to please Mom. She was indifferent to A's or C's.

My brother was a PHd in Econ and he was very adept at statistics. IQ on the extremes offers some insight. The bottom ten percent does not do well and compassion is in order. The top 1 percent typically is advantaged but no guarantees. Historically the military makes the most use of IQ scores (using ASVAB as a surrogate).

I asked him to watch the great documentary Last Chance U about football players - most with poor academic records - who went to a junior college in Mississippi as their last chance to be eligible for D1 football. These kids would by and large test poorly on IQ tests. For a handful, the low scores unfortunately reflected their ability. But for most, IQ tests started to lose their meaning. These kids were from poor backgrounds, but they were bright and engaging and fun to be around. Often very insightful. Their tutor (a saint) made academic headway with them because she recognized they had ability but almost no academic background. The show should make anyone think twice about the predictive factor of IQ. Focus, resilience and hard work matter. One African American mother (very well meaning) had such poor experiences with schools she had a hostile attitude towards the tutor. When visiting though, she saw what someone who truly cared for her son could do. To her credit, she had nothing but praise. This kid no doubt tested low on the IQ scale prior to this experience but the test didn't mean anything. The kid went on to a D1 SEC school and graduated.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist.

I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores.

Were your kids evaluated because of learning disabilities? Those are the ones that also have deeper evaluations from a psychologist and educational testing to see what grade level the student is at in every subject.

Legitimate IQ tests take 1 to 2 hours to administer and it’s best taken with only a specialist in the room.

My magnet kid had an extremely high IQ. Among the highest scores in the state. Self starter, and I just let her be. Finished a top Ivy in three years. No guarantee of happiness though and I worked, and still do, at making her a happy person. My other daughter is close in scores and went to a similar school and is happy and a busy mom which makes her pleased. Both are successful today.

I was born a very premature twin and went to a children's hospital out of a fear I would be slow. I came to reading late but the school identified a high IQ for my brother and me. My single mother had no academic background whatsoever other than struggling through high school, and circumstances were tough. She was a modest and humble person who didn't tell us our scores but the school later did as part of a scheme to get us to aim high (don't think it would be done today). My mother was of the type that you are only as smart as the last smart thing you did, so IQ and notions of innate intelligence was minimized. It is odd - I had limited self esteem over academics but really a positive thing. I started to do well in school when the attitude hit that the more you know the less you actually know. And I didn't do it to please Mom. She was indifferent to A's or C's.

My brother was a PHd in Econ and he was very adept at statistics. IQ on the extremes offers some insight. The bottom ten percent does not do well and compassion is in order. The top 1 percent typically is advantaged but no guarantees. Historically the military makes the most use of IQ scores (using ASVAB as a surrogate).

I asked him to watch the great documentary Last Chance U about football players - most with poor academic records - who went to a junior college in Mississippi as their last chance to be eligible for D1 football. These kids would by and large test poorly on IQ tests. For a handful, the low scores unfortunately reflected their ability. But for most, IQ tests started to lose their meaning. These kids were from poor backgrounds, but they were bright and engaging and fun to be around. Often very insightful. Their tutor (a saint) made academic headway with them because she recognized they had ability but almost no academic background. The show should make anyone think twice about the predictive factor of IQ. Focus, resilience and hard work matter. One African American mother (very well meaning) had such poor experiences with schools she had a hostile attitude towards the tutor. When visiting though, she saw what someone who truly cared for her son could do. To her credit, she had nothing but praise. This kid no doubt tested low on the IQ scale prior to this experience but the test didn't mean anything. The kid went on to a D1 SEC school and graduated.

You do know there's no central registry for IQs anywhere in the state right? Most people get IQs tested by private providers. I don't know what school district does this but there must be some. Is that what you are talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist.

I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores.

Were your kids evaluated because of learning disabilities? Those are the ones that also have deeper evaluations from a psychologist and educational testing to see what grade level the student is at in every subject.

Legitimate IQ tests take 1 to 2 hours to administer and it’s best taken with only a specialist in the room.

My magnet kid had an extremely high IQ. Among the highest scores in the state. Self starter, and I just let her be. Finished a top Ivy in three years. No guarantee of happiness though and I worked, and still do, at making her a happy person. My other daughter is close in scores and went to a similar school and is happy and a busy mom which makes her pleased. Both are successful today.

I was born a very premature twin and went to a children's hospital out of a fear I would be slow. I came to reading late but the school identified a high IQ for my brother and me. My single mother had no academic background whatsoever other than struggling through high school, and circumstances were tough. She was a modest and humble person who didn't tell us our scores but the school later did as part of a scheme to get us to aim high (don't think it would be done today). My mother was of the type that you are only as smart as the last smart thing you did, so IQ and notions of innate intelligence was minimized. It is odd - I had limited self esteem over academics but really a positive thing. I started to do well in school when the attitude hit that the more you know the less you actually know. And I didn't do it to please Mom. She was indifferent to A's or C's.

My brother was a PHd in Econ and he was very adept at statistics. IQ on the extremes offers some insight. The bottom ten percent does not do well and compassion is in order. The top 1 percent typically is advantaged but no guarantees. Historically the military makes the most use of IQ scores (using ASVAB as a surrogate).

I asked him to watch the great documentary Last Chance U about football players - most with poor academic records - who went to a junior college in Mississippi as their last chance to be eligible for D1 football. These kids would by and large test poorly on IQ tests. For a handful, the low scores unfortunately reflected their ability. But for most, IQ tests started to lose their meaning. These kids were from poor backgrounds, but they were bright and engaging and fun to be around. Often very insightful. Their tutor (a saint) made academic headway with them because she recognized they had ability but almost no academic background. The show should make anyone think twice about the predictive factor of IQ. Focus, resilience and hard work matter. One African American mother (very well meaning) had such poor experiences with schools she had a hostile attitude towards the tutor. When visiting though, she saw what someone who truly cared for her son could do. To her credit, she had nothing but praise. This kid no doubt tested low on the IQ scale prior to this experience but the test didn't mean anything. The kid went on to a D1 SEC school and graduated.

I can barely follow this post. Too many random thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Some disabilities make the IQ test less valid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you guys even know your IQs?

In my teens, my parents took me to a psychologist and said Something’s off with this one, she seems smart but can’t get her life together (I’m paraphrasing). IQ test was part of the evaluation.