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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How do you guys even know your IQs? [/quote] I know my kids' IQ scores because both of them had the WISC administered as part of a larger evaluation by a psychologist. I don't know my own IQ although I was in a GT program as a child that tested IQ (my mother had the report but lost it and doesn't remember). DH same. I don't intend to tell my kids their scores. [/quote] Were your kids evaluated because of learning disabilities? Those are the ones that also have deeper evaluations from a psychologist and educational testing to see what grade level the student is at in every subject. Legitimate IQ tests take 1 to 2 hours to administer and it’s best taken with only a specialist in the room. [/quote] My magnet kid had an extremely high IQ. Among the highest scores in the state. Self starter, and I just let her be. Finished a top Ivy in three years. No guarantee of happiness though and I worked, and still do, at making her a happy person. My other daughter is close in scores and went to a similar school and is happy and a busy mom which makes her pleased. Both are successful today. I was born a very premature twin and went to a children's hospital out of a fear I would be slow. I came to reading late but the school identified a high IQ for my brother and me. My single mother had no academic background whatsoever other than struggling through high school, and circumstances were tough. She was a modest and humble person who didn't tell us our scores but the school later did as part of a scheme to get us to aim high (don't think it would be done today). My mother was of the type that you are only as smart as the last smart thing you did, so IQ and notions of innate intelligence was minimized. It is odd - I had limited self esteem over academics but really a positive thing. I started to do well in school when the attitude hit that the more you know the less you actually know. And I didn't do it to please Mom. She was indifferent to A's or C's. My brother was a PHd in Econ and he was very adept at statistics. IQ on the extremes offers some insight. The bottom ten percent does not do well and compassion is in order. The top 1 percent typically is advantaged but no guarantees. Historically the military makes the most use of IQ scores (using ASVAB as a surrogate). I asked him to watch the great documentary Last Chance U about football players - most with poor academic records - who went to a junior college in Mississippi as their last chance to be eligible for D1 football. These kids would by and large test poorly on IQ tests. For a handful, the low scores unfortunately reflected their ability. But for most, IQ tests started to lose their meaning. These kids were from poor backgrounds, but they were bright and engaging and fun to be around. Often very insightful. Their tutor (a saint) made academic headway with them because she recognized they had ability but almost no academic background. The show should make anyone think twice about the predictive factor of IQ. Focus, resilience and hard work matter. One African American mother (very well meaning) had such poor experiences with schools she had a hostile attitude towards the tutor. When visiting though, she saw what someone who truly cared for her son could do. To her credit, she had nothing but praise. This kid no doubt tested low on the IQ scale prior to this experience but the test didn't mean anything. The kid went on to a D1 SEC school and graduated. [/quote] I can barely follow this post. Too many random thoughts.[/quote]
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