California schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in the same boat. She is applying to U of SD, Loyola Marymount, Santa Clara University, SDSU and maybe Occidental.

Obama attended Occidental then transferred.

He didn't like it there. Read his book.

Also, Occidental needs to be avoided. Last May it was sued by the Biden Department of Justice and Dept of Education with support from the Louis Brandeis Center (and represented probono by top litigation firm Arnold & Porter for failure to protect Jewish students' civil rights). Ten Jewish students have left since Oct 7th. The media (LA Times) is not reporting on the suits on it because it is pro-Hamas. Occidental is not talking about it for the same reason

Look at the FB page "Occidental parents against Jewish antisemitism". Pro-Hamas protests have an encampent going on there now. The new president of Oxy is refusing to meet with the Occidental FB group.

Oxy has had a series of weak presidents. The President and Board of Trustees lost control over the liberal faculty long ago. Google before applying.

Still don't understand what "lost control over the liberal faculty" even means, nor is there something to search that could imply this. Shared leadership is a model across a majority of colleges and universities in the US. A college that doesn't trust its faculty to lead is a particularly unstable one...

Well to start with you might want to read Wikipedia about Occidental's history and its crises namely the sex assault scandal;the President's refusal to fire the two women sociology pprofessors who brought in Gloria Alred and created tremendous trouble. The professors involved, both of whom were spreading dirt to the LA Times, one of whom was sleeping with the reporter! The Times made the author make issue a public apology and was fired. But Oxy's President and board did nothing re the two faculty members, notwithstanding alumni calling on him to fire the professors.

Then read unhappy student reviews on Reddit and then Niche. Then ask any alum. Most thoughtful and educated alums will tell you that Oxy fell from strong leadership under Richard Gilman, then was wrecked by John Brooks Slaughter, Occidental's first black
president and former Chancellor of University who oversaw the Len Bias suicide and subsequent Congressional investigations which criticized the University's lack of supervision over student athletes and formally charged UMD's athetic department, admissions (fraud) and university police.

Slaughter was followed by Susan Prager who was so weak she was asked to leave within her first year. Jonathan Veitch tried to regain control (read the "History section" section in wiki) but gave up and left - note the instances of strife mentioned in wiki between him and the faculty), and subsequent Oxy Presidents just keep getting weaker through the decades. Elam lasted only three years (left because he was sick but also was in charge when Oxy got sued) but made no headway with with the faculty, and on and on through through who was weak and made Diversity and Social
justice and "working together" his themes. (Elam was in charge of DEI initiatives at Stanford and a poor pick by the board who felt it had to go with DEI and the SJW program instead of hiring a President who cared about academic leadership). Now the college has Stritikus who, so far, seems a milque-toast, especially with regard for Jewish student's rights. Hence, Oxy was the first higher ed institution( Pomona College too) by The Biden Justice Department and ED for civil rights violations (read FB page "Occidental College Parents against anti--semitism. A private page but you can request admission). Today, the college is letting Hamas set up camps. Ten Jewish students have had to leave since Oct. The briefs mention poor administraction and weak control by Elam.

Then look how alumni giving has dried up in these decades. John Veitch worked hard with disaffected alums who stopped giving again after the Slaughter years (there was a financial crisis during Slaughter's years when he and the board inappropriately placed much of the endowment in a few Orange County real
projects which collapsed during the S& L crisis. But Veitch's actions did no good and he left in frustrations.

Funding from alums fell so much so that that Occidental, during Covid. was in debt to the tune of $30 million and had to fire personnel, withdraw pensions, put personnel on leave and actually had to withdraw funds from the endowment. A huge fundraising campaign replenished the $30m but financial problems continued. According to a post today here in DCUM, Forbes yesterday ranked downranked the financial health of colleges and Occidental fell to a B+. See downthread "Forbe's 2024 downgrade of colleges". Today, many alums still no longer give.

All of this is googleable or in wiki.

DP. A B+ is fine. Haverford, Wesleyan, Washington and Lee all have B+. Even Caltech somehow got a B+.

Occidental is perhaps worth a look OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dd is applying mostly in our state and will likely go in state, but one of the only other locations she wants is California. Right now she has University of San Francisco and University of San Diego. If you were to add a third and fourth location, what would you add? the UC schools are out due to no merit/high OOS tuitions. Do any of the Cal States stand out to you specifically, or other suggestions? Very good student but not Stanford, Pomona level exceptional for acceptance.

As a former SoCalifornian, go with SDS, CSF, CSLB, and CSSM. For UC's would be UCI, UCSD. That's where I'd go. Not into NorCal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Cal States are really commuter schools. You could probably get aid from the small Christian schools (Azusa Pacific, Biola, Westmont in Santa Barbara). You could also look at University of the Pacfic, Redlands, and other privates though their locations aren’t as desirable.

Not really true any more.

Agree. Some of these get the UC feel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

…and for Cal Poly SLO, it was 15%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

…and for Cal Poly SLO, it was 15%.

But 90% of Cal Poly applicants were in-state. They don't meet all need in-state, or offer much merit, so probably not what OP is looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

…and for Cal Poly SLO, it was 15%.

But 90% of Cal Poly applicants were in-state. They don't meet all need in-state, or offer much merit, so probably not what OP is looking for.

Perhaps; I don’t know how their OOS costs compare to the other schools OP mentioned. But OP did specifically ask for any Cal States that stood out to us, and as a CA resident, those are the two I would’ve considered for our own kids had they gone that direction.

[Anonymous]

I wish they all could be

[Anonymous]

If she applied to USD then she may also want to consider Loyola Marymount (LMU) or St Mary's. They offered my DD good merit. Also Santa Clara, while not as generous as the others she did get decent merit. While she didn't opt for a CA school, she did get good merit from several of the CA privates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

You could google as I did / from the horse's mouth. 94% across the board. https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system/about-the-csu/facts-about-the-csu/Pages/students.aspx#:~:text=Where%20Are%20CSU%20Students%20From,%E2%80%8B&text=94%25%20of%20all%20enrolled%20students%20are%20%E2%80%8Bfrom%20California.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

You could google as I did / from the horse's mouth. 94% across the board. https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system/about-the-csu/facts-about-the-csu/Pages/students.aspx#:~:text=Where%20Are%20CSU%20Students%20From,%E2%80%8B&text=94%25%20of%20all%20enrolled%20students%20are%20%E2%80%8Bfrom%20California.

You’re so funny! You were replying to a post where I recommended SLO and SDSU by saying only 6% were out of state at a different school! I replied with info for the schools I recommended showing more 15 and 23%. And now you respond with system wide stats? Follow the thread lad/ladette!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Santa Clara
Scripps
Pitzer
LMU
Chapman

you total moron, this is a one page thread and yet you completely failed to read the op

DP. Settle down. Op asked 2 questions. The first was more open ended and I would agree with the above as a response.

As far as Cal States, I would look at Cal Poly SLO or San Diego State.

No, Cal States are for Californians. 94% of the students at Cal States are Californian. When I called Cal State Fullerton about their competitive animation program (feeds into Disneyland) they were nice but said no way in h@ll my Virginian DD was getting in. I appreciated the frankness

Well, according to most recent CDS for SDSU, 23% of the incoming class are from out of state…

You could google as I did / from the horse's mouth. 94% across the board. https://www.calstate.edu/csu-system/about-the-csu/facts-about-the-csu/Pages/students.aspx#:~:text=Where%20Are%20CSU%20Students%20From,%E2%80%8B&text=94%25%20of%20all%20enrolled%20students%20are%20%E2%80%8Bfrom%20California.

You’re so funny! You were replying to a post where I recommended SLO and SDSU by saying only 6% were out of state at a different school! I replied with info for the schools I recommended showing more 15 and 23%. And now you respond with system wide stats? Follow the thread lad/ladette!

DP. They are not funny at all. They said 94% as was demonstrated - you chose to come back with ONE example out of 23 Cal States in CAL.

[Anonymous]

Are you incapable of scrolling up to see they were responding to schools that are 15% and 23% out of state with a statistic for the system as a whole? Do you not see I then gave them the statistics for the original two schools recommended, only to be told to search for the same irrelevant statistic you just cited *again*? Go to bed. Logic from a world that doesn’t exist works better there, and all this will snap into place for you in the morning.