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Anonymous
| California Lutheran |
Anonymous
Wow! Are you always that rude, or just when you’re anonymous? |
Anonymous
Always. I pride myself on it. Seriously though you didn't read the OP at all, you just saw the word "California" and started spouting random suggestions. |
Anonymous
DP. The OP asked about Cal States [i]or other suggestions[i]. Those schools would be other suggestions that would be good third or fourth choices. So who can't read again? |
Anonymous
| Why does DD want to come to California? I live in California, but I would not take on the OOS costs (e.g. travel etc) to send my kid to any CSU. I don't think the CSU's are worth it as residential schools if you have decent in-state options, since they all typically have a large commuter population. |
Anonymous
He didn't like it there. Read his book. Also, Occidental needs to be avoided. Last May it was sued by the Biden Department of Justice and Dept of Education with support from the Louis Brandeis Center (and represented probono by top litigation firm Arnold & Porter for failure to protect Jewish students' civil rights). Ten Jewish students have left since Oct 7th. The media (LA Times) is not reporting on the suits on it because it is pro-Hamas. Occidental is not talking about it for the same reason Look at the FB page "Occidental parents against Jewish antisemitism". Pro-Hamas protests have an encampent going on there now. The new president of Oxy is refusing to meet with the Occidental FB group. Oxy has had a series of weak presidents. The President and Board of Trustees lost control over the liberal faculty long ago. Google before applying. |
Anonymous
Not really true any more. |
Anonymous
Oh God we’ve summoned the insane anti-Oxy poster. OP, you are going to need a sage brush now. |
Anonymous
You've already been called out by several people here for obsessing about any poster who posts about Occidental. Two weeks ago? |
Anonymous
Still don't understand what "lost control over the liberal faculty" even means, nor is there something to search that could imply this. Shared leadership is a model across a majority of colleges and universities in the US. A college that doesn't trust its faculty to lead is a particularly unstable one... |
Anonymous
| Scripps or Pitzer, LMU, Pepperdine, Santa Clara. All great schools with beautiful campuses. |
Anonymous
Well to start with you might want to read Wikipedia about Occidental's history and its crises namely the sex assault scandal;the President's refusal to fire the two women sociology pprofessors who brought in Gloria Alred and created tremendous trouble. The professors involved, both of whom were spreading dirt to the LA Times, one of whom was sleeping with the reporter! The Times made the author make issue a public apology and was fired. But Oxy's President and board did nothing re the two faculty members, notwithstanding alumni calling on him to fire the professors. Then read unhappy student reviews on Reddit and then Niche. Then ask any alum. Most thoughtful and educated alums will tell you that Oxy fell from strong leadership under Richard Gilman, then was wrecked by John Brooks Slaughter, Occidental's first black president and former Chancellor of University who oversaw the Len Bias suicide and subsequent Congressional investigations which criticized the University's lack of supervision over student athletes and formally charged UMD's athetic department, admissions (fraud) and university police. Slaughter was followed by Susan Prager who was so weak she was asked to leave within her first year. Jonathan Veitch tried to regain control (read the "History section" section in wiki) but gave up and left - note the instances of strife mentioned in wiki between him and the faculty), and subsequent Oxy Presidents just keep getting weaker through the decades. Elam lasted only three years (left because he was sick but also was in charge when Oxy got sued) but made no headway with with the faculty, and on and on through through who was weak and made Diversity and Social justice and "working together" his themes. (Elam was in charge of DEI initiatives at Stanford and a poor pick by the board who felt it had to go with DEI and the SJW program instead of hiring a President who cared about academic leadership). Now the college has Stritikus who, so far, seems a milque-toast, especially with regard for Jewish student's rights. Hence, Oxy was the first higher ed institution( Pomona College too) by The Biden Justice Department and ED for civil rights violations (read FB page "Occidental College Parents against anti--semitism. A private page but you can request admission). Today, the college is letting Hamas set up camps. Ten Jewish students have had to leave since Oct. The briefs mention poor administraction and weak control by Elam. Then look how alumni giving has dried up in these decades. John Veitch worked hard with disaffected alums who stopped giving again after the Slaughter years (there was a financial crisis during Slaughter's years when he and the board inappropriately placed much of the endowment in a few Orange County real projects which collapsed during the S& L crisis. But Veitch's actions did no good and he left in frustrations. Funding from alums fell so much so that that Occidental, during Covid. was in debt to the tune of $30 million and had to fire personnel, withdraw pensions, put personnel on leave and actually had to withdraw funds from the endowment. A huge fundraising campaign replenished the $30m but financial problems continued. According to a post today here in DCUM, Forbes yesterday ranked downranked the financial health of colleges and Occidental fell to a B+. See downthread "Forbe's 2024 downgrade of colleges". Today, many alums still no longer give. All of this is googleable or in wiki. |
Anonymous
No response I give will be appropriate for such an exhaustive comment, but I'll add 2 cents. It is incredibly difficult to fire tenured faculty; but, also, that case was from 2014 which is quite a different time and Oxy than 2024-2025. Students can be unhappy for a range of reasons, and frankly, most colleges have a very poor student-administration relationship--doesn't make the admin wrong, just that students are anti-authority, especially if that authority figure is seemingly wealthy. Though, you do seem to write a ton about administration being poor-not faculty leadership, which was the original comment. It does seem that the Jewish students you claim are being heavily oppressed are in agreeance with anti-Israel protestors, an opinion that is not uncommon amongst young people:https://theoccidentalnews.com/news/2024/10/08/oxy-sjp-oxy-jvp-blocked-outside-swan-hall-professor-falls-in-physical-confrontation-with-private-security/2913234. Donations, especially to liberal arts colleges, have been drying up for years: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/us/college-protests-alumni-donations.html. This happens especially during contentious years like now with the Israel-Hamas situation. Oxy isn't and has never been a Pomona with 3 billion dollars in its endowment. It also doesn't have the same pull to provide a fantastic ROI like LACs similar to Claremont McKenna. It is a standard liberal arts college that has benefited greatly from having a presence in LA. It will be suffering financially no matter what, unless it restrategizes to be something more profitable. |
Anonymous
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo is wonderful! You could also consider Scripps or Pitzer (in Claremont Consortium). Loyola Marymount (near LA) U Santa Clara (sister univ to the ones you're considering, Jesuit school, silicon valley) |
Anonymous
Good list but all of the privates listed here will still be 65k to 75k in cost of attendance after any merit aid. The most she will get is 15-20k merit off a 85-90k school. They are all more expensive than California public out of state tuition. |