New special Ed teachers from Philippines

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The public education budget sucks. There are no resources.

MCPS starting salary is $62k and goes up to $127k with experience and qualifications. That's to work 10 months/year.

The median household income in MoCo is $125k, so a couple right out of college would earn a bit more than the median household income in MoCo, for 10 months of work.

It's not amazing, but I'd say that's not bad either.

https://data.census.gov/profile/Montgomery_County,_Maryland?g=050XX00US24031

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/salary_schedule_current.pdf

They also get an amazing pension, and it seems like a lot less than 10 months. My kids teachers are out a few days a month so seems more like 9 months when you include the leave that most take.

The amazing pension is gone under the new system - of those who have been in since 10-ish years ago get that. They are not "out" a few days a month for vacation, they are pulled for IEP meetings and other meetings where their attendance is required.

Seriously people, if this was such a great job, people would be clamoring for it instead of most quitting within 5 years, many sooner. And we wouldn't have to bring in those from overseas

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I spoke with one the other day. She was so impressed by MCPS and thought it was AMAZING!!

That's great and I hope she learns a lot from her visit, but she shouldn't be displacing primary staff.

No one displacing primary staff. MCPS cannot fill these positions lovally or even nationally, because no one wants them. Please read that last sentence again. They are bringing in teachers from overseas because no one here wants these jobs that many here are so great because: 10 month job, great pension, etc

It's BS. No one wants to teach here for many reasons, including crappy pay, bad administrators, delusional central office, and much more, but the worst are our kids today. They have no attention spans, no interest in learning, don't behave, and their parents make it worse

[Anonymous]

Parents aren’t raising, even reasonably, disciplined children anymore. That’s all there is to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spoke with one the other day. She was so impressed by MCPS and thought it was AMAZING!!

That's great and I hope she learns a lot from her visit, but she shouldn't be displacing primary staff.

No one displacing primary staff. MCPS cannot fill these positions lovally or even nationally, because no one wants them. Please read that last sentence again. They are bringing in teachers from overseas because no one here wants these jobs that many here are so great because: 10 month job, great pension, etc

It's BS. No one wants to teach here for many reasons, including crappy pay, bad administrators, delusional central office, and much more, but the worst are our kids today. They have no attention spans, no interest in learning, don't behave, and their parents make it worse

Exactly. For well over 100 years, Filipinos have filled hard to staff positions when the need was high in the military, medical professions, education, etc. No Americans are being displaced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spoke with one the other day. She was so impressed by MCPS and thought it was AMAZING!!

That's great and I hope she learns a lot from her visit, but she shouldn't be displacing primary staff.

No one displacing primary staff. MCPS cannot fill these positions lovally or even nationally, because no one wants them. Please read that last sentence again. They are bringing in teachers from overseas because no one here wants these jobs that many here are so great because: 10 month job, great pension, etc

It's BS. No one wants to teach here for many reasons, including crappy pay, bad administrators, delusional central office, and much more, but the worst are our kids today. They have no attention spans, no interest in learning, don't behave, and their parents make it worse

They are displacing primary staff, because MCPS is relying on them in solving the staffing problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spoke with one the other day. She was so impressed by MCPS and thought it was AMAZING!!

That's great and I hope she learns a lot from her visit, but she shouldn't be displacing primary staff.

No one displacing primary staff. MCPS cannot fill these positions lovally or even nationally, because no one wants them. Please read that last sentence again. They are bringing in teachers from overseas because no one here wants these jobs that many here are so great because: 10 month job, great pension, etc

It's BS. No one wants to teach here for many reasons, including crappy pay, bad administrators, delusional central office, and much more, but the worst are our kids today. They have no attention spans, no interest in learning, don't behave, and their parents make it worse

They are displacing primary staff, because MCPS is relying on them in solving the staffing problem.

With severe staffing shortages due to higher immigration, teacher resignations/retirements, as well as competition with more lucrative/less stressful professions, US school systems will continue to hire from from English-speaking countries like the Philippines. It really is as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

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The school system sucks people. I have taught in it for 10 years. It is bad, real bad. Please, sit in on your childs classes. I say it every time I get on here. Sit in and see what it is like. They are not learning. They are not thriving.

+1
I've also been a teacher for a decade. Most people have NO idea how much time is wasted. For every six hours your child spends at school, there is less than an hour, and likely less than 30 minutes, of actual learning and practice and growth happening.

It is mostly keeping the kids safe (kind of) so their parents can work. That's not the goal, but that's what happens.

This is true for some classes but clearly not most. I’m not saying there are not bad things happening but the bolded is an exaggeration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The school system sucks people. I have taught in it for 10 years. It is bad, real bad. Please, sit in on your childs classes. I say it every time I get on here. Sit in and see what it is like. They are not learning. They are not thriving.

+1
I've also been a teacher for a decade. Most people have NO idea how much time is wasted. F[b]or every six hours your child spends at school, there is less than an hour, and likely less than 30 minutes, of actual learning and practice and growth happening. [/b]

It is mostly keeping the kids safe (kind of) so their parents can work. That's not the goal, but that's what happens.

This is true for some classes but clearly not most. I’m not saying there are not bad things happening but the bolded is an exaggeration.

Umm.. This seems outrageous. Tell that to my kid who is a HS junior who is taking a bunch of AP and IB courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The public education budget sucks. There are no resources.

MCPS starting salary is $62k and goes up to $127k with experience and qualifications. That's to work 10 months/year.

The median household income in MoCo is $125k, so a couple right out of college would earn a bit more than the median household income in MoCo, for 10 months of work.

It's not amazing, but I'd say that's not bad either.

https://data.census.gov/profile/Montgomery_County,_Maryland?g=050XX00US24031

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/salary_schedule_current.pdf

They also get an amazing pension, and it seems like a lot less than 10 months. My kids teachers are out a few days a month so seems more like 9 months when you include the leave that most take.

The amazing pension is gone under the new system - of those who have been in since 10-ish years ago get that. They are not "out" a few days a month for vacation, they are pulled for IEP meetings and other meetings where their attendance is required.

Seriously people, if this was such a great job, people would be clamoring for it instead of most quitting within 5 years, many sooner. And we wouldn't have to bring in those from overseas

You are conflating working conditions with compensation. Higher compensation can't fix working conditions. If the working conditions are that bad (and it sounds like for many teachers, they are pretty bad) more money is not going to help retain people.

Stop complaining about the pension. Most of the decrease in the pension benefit for people hired in 2011 was made up for by increases in the county supplement to the pension (MCPS is the only school system in the state that supplements the state pension). People who retired prior to 1999 got 1.8% times years of service times average salary for last 3 years. In 1999 the county supplement added 0.08% and in 2006 that was increased to 0.2%, so a total of 2%. Then for people hired in 2011 or later, the state pension was reduced to 1.5%, so they got 1.5% plus the county supplement for a total of 1.7%. So 0.1% lower than the pension for people who retired before 1999. Meanwhile, life expectancy has increased so the pension costs for people hired in 2011 or later will probably be significantly higher than those for people who retired before 1999. Pension costs are eating up the budget as it is and it's only going to get worse.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they are also desired because they might be unfamiliar with that laws in which mcps like to skirt and swerve regarding ignoring reports of crime and violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The public education budget sucks. There are no resources.

MCPS starting salary is $62k and goes up to $127k with experience and qualifications. That's to work 10 months/year.

The median household income in MoCo is $125k, so a couple right out of college would earn a bit more than the median household income in MoCo, for 10 months of work.

It's not amazing, but I'd say that's not bad either.

https://data.census.gov/profile/Montgomery_County,_Maryland?g=050XX00US24031

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/salary_schedule_current.pdf

They also get an amazing pension, and it seems like a lot less than 10 months. My kids teachers are out a few days a month so seems more like 9 months when you include the leave that most take.

The amazing pension is gone under the new system - of those who have been in since 10-ish years ago get that. They are not "out" a few days a month for vacation, they are pulled for IEP meetings and other meetings where their attendance is required.

Seriously people, if this was such a great job, people would be clamoring for it instead of most quitting within 5 years, many sooner. And we wouldn't have to bring in those from overseas

So they have to work more than 20 years to get 50% of their pay for life now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The public education budget sucks. There are no resources.

MCPS starting salary is $62k and goes up to $127k with experience and qualifications. That's to work 10 months/year.

The median household income in MoCo is $125k, so a couple right out of college would earn a bit more than the median household income in MoCo, for 10 months of work.

It's not amazing, but I'd say that's not bad either.

https://data.census.gov/profile/Montgomery_County,_Maryland?g=050XX00US24031

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/ersc/employees/pay/schedules/salary_schedule_current.pdf

They also get an amazing pension, and it seems like a lot less than 10 months. My kids teachers are out a few days a month so seems more like 9 months when you include the leave that most take.

The amazing pension is gone under the new system - of those who have been in since 10-ish years ago get that. They are not "out" a few days a month for vacation, they are pulled for IEP meetings and other meetings where their attendance is required.

Seriously people, if this was such a great job, people would be clamoring for it instead of most quitting within 5 years, many sooner. And we wouldn't have to bring in those from overseas

So they have to work more than 20 years to get 50% of their pay for life now?

Plus social security

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spoke with one the other day. She was so impressed by MCPS and thought it was AMAZING!!

That's great and I hope she learns a lot from her visit, but she shouldn't be displacing primary staff.

No one displacing primary staff. MCPS cannot fill these positions lovally or even nationally, because no one wants them. Please read that last sentence again. They are bringing in teachers from overseas because no one here wants these jobs that many here are so great because: 10 month job, great pension, etc

It's BS. No one wants to teach here for many reasons, including crappy pay, bad administrators, delusional central office, and much more, but the worst are our kids today. They have no attention spans, no interest in learning, don't behave, and their parents make it worse

They are displacing primary staff, because MCPS is relying on them in solving the staffing problem.

With severe staffing shortages due to higher immigration, teacher resignations/retirements, as well as competition with more lucrative/less stressful professions, US school systems will continue to hire from from English-speaking countries like the Philippines. It really is as simple as that.

+1 Be grateful that MCPS is actually able to get qualified professional teachers to support special needs kids rather than having those positions vacant and the most vulnerable kids in the school system without instructors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The school system sucks people. I have taught in it for 10 years. It is bad, real bad. Please, sit in on your childs classes. I say it every time I get on here. Sit in and see what it is like. They are not learning. They are not thriving.

+1
I've also been a teacher for a decade. Most people have NO idea how much time is wasted. F[b]or every six hours your child spends at school, there is less than an hour, and likely less than 30 minutes, of actual learning and practice and growth happening. [/b]

It is mostly keeping the kids safe (kind of) so their parents can work. That's not the goal, but that's what happens.

This is true for some classes but clearly not most. I’m not saying there are not bad things happening but the bolded is an exaggeration.

Umm.. This seems outrageous. Tell that to my kid who is a HS junior who is taking a bunch of AP and IB courses.

Tell your HS junior what? Clearly they are getting more than 30mins of learning in a 6.5 hour school day while taking AP/IB classes. That’s entirely my point in saying the original statement was an exaggeration.