I love DC’s progressive criminal justice laws

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Would the city be safer if more people in marginalized communities were unemployed and unable to drive? Or would these individuals be placed in desperate situations leading to crime?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Would the city be safer if more people in marginalized communities were unemployed and unable to drive? Or would these individuals be placed in desperate situations leading to crime?

why don’t you ask the black mom of the black girl run over by the black driver? the one who doesn’t even have the money to take an uber?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real issue here is that traffic laws and traffic cameras are racist. This has been documented in studies across the country.

https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most

Sorry but I see 100x more red light and stop sign running in lower income parts of DC. It's pretty stunning to just see cars fly through intersections and a miracle more pedestrians haven't died.

Is there data where they tracked drivers to see if minorities actually drive as safe or safer than whites so the increased penalties can legit be called racist? I have worked hard over the last 20 years to unpack my own biases, but I will say the most batsh*t crazy drivers I have seen are not whites. Every single person who has threatened me as a pedestrian, every person I see who drives like a d*** around my kids' school, etc. no matter what I try to tell myself about confirmation bias. I will say I think part of it is when that person appears to be low income, my guess is that they were not brought up to value themselves, value life, value community in the same way — they were not valued themselves by their families or society growing up, so it's sad they drive like they DGAF if they kill someone. Disadvantage goes to the roots, sadly. Driving is a privilege and nobody, no matter how much they rely on driving, is guaranteed the right to drive. Unfortunately America has a horrible reliance on cars.

People need to stop doing that and trust their gut more. Lots more people would still be alive and we might have some semblance of order if people didn't educate themselves out of reality. Any remotely observant person gets what's going on after a short while, but almost no one is willing to admit it. If admitting it is too much, at least don't dog pile on other people that might want to actually solve problems.

[Anonymous]

This has nothing to do with "progressive" criminal justice laws. It's pretty simple: to maximize revenue, DC decided that there would be no more police enforcement of traffic laws and instead they would just put cameras everywhere. This is why DC doesn't care about these people with tens of thousands in unpaid tickets; it's too difficult and costly to go after them, and the vast majority of people do pay their tickets so the revenue-maximization scheme works well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The real issue here is that traffic laws and traffic cameras are racist. This has been documented in studies across the country.

https://www.propublica.org/article/chicagos-race-neutral-traffic-cameras-ticket-black-and-latino-drivers-the-most

Sorry but I see 100x more red light and stop sign running in lower income parts of DC. It's pretty stunning to just see cars fly through intersections and a miracle more pedestrians haven't died.

Is there data where they tracked drivers to see if minorities actually drive as safe or safer than whites so the increased penalties can legit be called racist? I have worked hard over the last 20 years to unpack my own biases, but I will say the most batsh*t crazy drivers I have seen are not whites. Every single person who has threatened me as a pedestrian, every person I see who drives like a d*** around my kids' school, etc. no matter what I try to tell myself about confirmation bias. I will say I think part of it is when that person appears to be low income, my guess is that they were not brought up to value themselves, value life, value community in the same way — they were not valued themselves by their families or society growing up, so it's sad they drive like they DGAF if they kill someone. Disadvantage goes to the roots, sadly. Driving is a privilege and nobody, no matter how much they rely on driving, is guaranteed the right to drive. Unfortunately America has a horrible reliance on cars.

People need to stop doing that and trust their gut more. Lots more people would still be alive and we might have some semblance of order if people didn't educate themselves out of reality. Any remotely observant person gets what's going on after a short while, but almost no one is willing to admit it. If admitting it is too much, at least don't dog pile on other people that might want to actually solve problems.

Yep, we “woke” up and completely forgot the lessons of the Gift of Fear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all the fault of the DC for failing to provide an adequate streetcar network for citizens. The government should be fined for forcing people to own cars.

Have you heard of the Metro and the Metro bus system?

Metro has been proven to be unreliable. DC needs its own independent transit system based on streetcars. It's the only possible solution. DC has already built 2 miles. It's almost done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Would the city be safer if more people in marginalized communities were unemployed and unable to drive? Or would these individuals be placed in desperate situations leading to crime?

We are talking about serial traffic offenders. They are already committing crime, and yes, the city would absolutely be safer if laws were enforced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

+1. agree with you OP - this is why I left (and took my large taxable income to VA

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are pro-crime.

You are confusing Democrats and progressives. Most of us Democrats don’t consider ourselves to be allied with the progressive wing of our party.

The problem is that a lot of Republicans have decided that anyone to the left of Putin is a liberal. Jesus weeps at the actions taken in his name by the RNC.

Progressives have successfully pushed the policies of the Democrats platform to the left enough to make the entire party look crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What would it take for 100% enforcement of traffic laws? I want every driver who goes through a red light to be ticketed, every driver who speeds to be ticketed. And those who have lots of tickets should have their license taken away. If you drive without a license you should go to jail for awhile.

I don’t care about the impact. I want laws to be enforced. If they are enforced for awhile, people will change their behavior.

Not enforcing the law has always been the problem in DC.

DC needs to impound cars. Just taking away licenses or adding more tickets does absolutely nothing as people will continue to drive. DC police need to start pulling over drivers. Cars should be towed right from the traffic stops if dangerous drivers are found to be driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not clear to me why DPW is NOT impounding cars. They already have the law their side. Further, MPD can pull over cars with tickets and call for an impound tow to DPW.

Even if VA and MD do not want to grant reciprocity, it is clear that the employees of MPR and DPW do not want to do their jobs. It's called a work stoppage and it needs to be resolved. I'm fine if DC wants to give a $500 bounty to MPD and DPW employees who get such a vehicle off the road.

A federal judge already said DC can't require residents to pay their outstanding tickets to renew their drivers license as its a violation of due process:
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

Didn't we find out during COVID that DC only has one person giving out boots on cars and two rat catchers or such? DC doesn't care about DC problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Marginalized, smarginalized. Whatever happened to pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Marginalized, smarginalized. Whatever happened to pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps?!

Not everyone can afford bootstraps. All largess must flow from the government. Otherwise, capitalism would win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

Of course it's a result of progressive policies. Progressive policies favor the criminals and not the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a good one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

Remember when a lot of posters were upset that that driver on Rock Creek parkway killed three people and they had $50k in speeding tickets but never lost their license???

Why is this city so insane? Fking impound the cars. I hate this new era of progressive nonsense. I’m sorry but sometime people shouldn’t drive.

“If I had ran the light, I would have run her over,” he said. “She damaged my car.”

Wow, he said that to the press?

Dude was in a Range Rover. This isn't about "progressive" or whatever angle you're talking about. It's about a complete lack of any enforcement of assault committed by motorists when they are motorists. The USAO won't pursue charges even when people are killed in a flagrant fashion. The DC-AG won't do jack either.

They have tickets in a system, which they hide behind a license search. They should make this open data. Give a bounty to people who snag these aholes who have multiple thousands of unpaid tickets.

It is 100% the fault of progressive policy. Read up on why the progressive city council elected to allow speeding scofflaws to reregister their licenses or not lose them at all no matter how many speeding tickets they got. And this article is another example of how dangerous that is. They chose to allow this societal harm of dangerous driving so as not to deprive people of their livelihood. Basically progressive policy 101.

Federal judges in DC said that the law to require paying tickets was a due process Constitutional violation. That's why the DC Council was forced to change the Clean Hands Law. I had no idea about this until I read the federal judge's decision.
https://webservices.courthousenews.com/sites/Data/AppellateOpinionUploads/2022-28-12--09-06-44-122cv2481.pdf

That’s part of it. The main reason was the city council deemed it “inequitable” to take away drivers licenses from marginalized communities who need their cars to go to work. So it became an issue of economics vs safety and they, being super cool progressives, chose the former. This makes the whole city less safe.

Would the city be safer if more people in marginalized communities were unemployed and unable to drive? Or would these individuals be placed in desperate situations leading to crime?

We are talking about serial traffic offenders. They are already committing crime, and yes, the city would absolutely be safer if laws were enforced.

It is fully insane that someone would even ask the question. Still excusing crime in ways that put law abiding people, especially the marginalized, at huge risk.