Princeton admissions largely unchanged

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

How, exactly, would they have been able to identify and track applicants by race? They didn't receive that data from College Board. And of it was written in an essay they would have had to assume it was a actually true (because who would ever lie about their race... except maybe Mindy Kaling's brother). And then they would have had to make a record of that somehow. That's the kind of paper trail discovery dreams of. Didn't happen.

So all we have is your presumption that if someone was accepted to this school with a sub 1500 then they must, obviously, be URM.

Do you sh*t on everyone at Princeton with < 1500 or just URM students?

+1000

This is why demanding no race box is going to backfire on their dreams. Who knows what race all of the applicants are? All of you poll watchers, will you have to rely on stereotypes?

[Anonymous]

Jokes aside, I wonder what would happen if every single 99th percentile black student decided to apply to Princeton? Would their suddenly be 500 in the freshman class instead of 30? The efforts being put into finding them and encouraging them to apply can increase. I believe I saw evidence of that last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Princeton alum and I was shocked by photos of incoming first generation students: most of them were obese. (I was also first gen but wasn't obese.) Sad that kids so young are in such poor shape and health.

Most of the first gen group is visibly skinny...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jokes aside, I wonder what would happen if every single 99th percentile black student decided to apply to Princeton? Would their suddenly be 500 in the freshman class instead of 30? The efforts being put into finding them and encouraging them to apply can increase. I believe I saw evidence of that last year.

If so what are you going to do about it? Princeton doesn't belong to you. It is not your little kingdom. So you little wondering is a waste of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

Test scores are not the only factor for admission. they are not putting all the kids in an ordered list by test score and creating a cuttoff where they accept everyone above and no one below. That is what you want, but that will never happen.

They had no racial data to rely on, so you are just assuming all the 1400s are black for just reasons? Vibes? Or do you just assume that blacks are not as smart? There can't be enough of them that exist in the United States to fill a percentage of ivy league schools beyond 1%.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
The disparity is pretty stark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

How, exactly, would they have been able to identify and track applicants by race? They didn't receive that data from College Board. And of it was written in an essay they would have had to assume it was a actually true (because who would ever lie about their race... except maybe Mindy Kaling's brother). And then they would have had to make a record of that somehow. That's the kind of paper trail discovery dreams of. Didn't happen.

So all we have is your presumption that if someone was accepted to this school with a sub 1500 then they must, obviously, be URM.

Do you sh*t on everyone at Princeton with < 1500 or just URM students?

Everyone that doesn't belong doesn't belong there

The race/test scores will come out during discovery. Are you really going to argue that there won't be a pretty large test score gap? You should take a cue from the dissembling that other progressives engage in and ignore the test scores entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

How, exactly, would they have been able to identify and track applicants by race? They didn't receive that data from College Board. And of it was written in an essay they would have had to assume it was a actually true (because who would ever lie about their race... except maybe Mindy Kaling's brother). And then they would have had to make a record of that somehow. That's the kind of paper trail discovery dreams of. Didn't happen.

So all we have is your presumption that if someone was accepted to this school with a sub 1500 then they must, obviously, be URM.

Do you sh*t on everyone at Princeton with < 1500 or just URM students?

+1000

This is why demanding no race box is going to backfire on their dreams. Who knows what race all of the applicants are? All of you poll watchers, will you have to rely on stereotypes?

The box is still there. The schools just don't get it until they are done with admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

Test scores are not the only factor for admission. they are not putting all the kids in an ordered list by test score and creating a cuttoff where they accept everyone above and no one below. That is what you want, but that will never happen.

They had no racial data to rely on, so you are just assuming all the 1400s are black for just reasons? Vibes? Or do you just assume that blacks are not as smart? There can't be enough of them that exist in the United States to fill a percentage of ivy league schools beyond 1%.

The 99th percentile is ~1400. 23% of asians and 7% of whites get that score.
Nobody is doing rank order admissions based on SAT scores. Almost nobody is arguing for 70% asians at every top school with 3% black, 3% hispanic and 24% white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Princeton alum and I was shocked by photos of incoming first generation students: most of them were obese. (I was also first gen but wasn't obese.) Sad that kids so young are in such poor shape and health.

Most of the first gen group is visibly skinny...

On average, indian and east asian kids have less obesity than white kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

How, exactly, would they have been able to identify and track applicants by race? They didn't receive that data from College Board. And of it was written in an essay they would have had to assume it was a actually true (because who would ever lie about their race... except maybe Mindy Kaling's brother). And then they would have had to make a record of that somehow. That's the kind of paper trail discovery dreams of. Didn't happen.

So all we have is your presumption that if someone was accepted to this school with a sub 1500 then they must, obviously, be URM.

Do you sh*t on everyone at Princeton with < 1500 or just URM students?

Everyone that doesn't belong doesn't belong there

The race/test scores will come out during discovery. Are you really going to argue that there won't be a pretty large test score gap? You should take a cue from the dissembling that other progressives engage in and ignore the test scores entirely.

So what if there is a disparity? The schools can admit who they want. They can't admit everyone. Why do they have to follow your rubric?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

Test scores are not the only factor for admission. they are not putting all the kids in an ordered list by test score and creating a cuttoff where they accept everyone above and no one below. That is what you want, but that will never happen.

They had no racial data to rely on, so you are just assuming all the 1400s are black for just reasons? Vibes? Or do you just assume that blacks are not as smart? There can't be enough of them that exist in the United States to fill a percentage of ivy league schools beyond 1%.

The 99th percentile is ~1400. 23% of asians and 7% of whites get that score.
Nobody is doing rank order admissions based on SAT scores. Almost nobody is arguing for 70% asians at every top school with 3% black, 3% hispanic and 24% white.

You say nobody is arguing as if what you argue matters. It doesn't. Test are one set of information about a student. They are not deal-breakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Princeton wanted, they could easily have an entire class all 1550+

And yet they took a bunch of 1400s because of skin color.
That is what makes it racist.

How, exactly, would they have been able to identify and track applicants by race? They didn't receive that data from College Board. And of it was written in an essay they would have had to assume it was a actually true (because who would ever lie about their race... except maybe Mindy Kaling's brother). And then they would have had to make a record of that somehow. That's the kind of paper trail discovery dreams of. Didn't happen.

So all we have is your presumption that if someone was accepted to this school with a sub 1500 then they must, obviously, be URM.

Do you sh*t on everyone at Princeton with < 1500 or just URM students?

+1000

This is why demanding no race box is going to backfire on their dreams. Who knows what race all of the applicants are? All of you poll watchers, will you have to rely on stereotypes?

The box is still there. The schools just don't get it until they are done with admissions.

My white son did not check it anywhere. Not on common app or the separate school data part. I figured if the Supreme Court ruled it couldn’t be used- he wouldn’t provide it anywhere. His school counselor advised for kids to leave it blank.

Fwiw, name and some of his supplemental responses made it pretty obvious he is white. A certain background that is white—think Scottish, etc.

I did wonder if it would piss some schools off, but he did excellent so I guess not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7.7% unknown race.

Nice.

Asian

No. My white kid left it blank—at Princeton this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:7.7% unknown race.

Nice.

Asian

No. My white kid left it blank—at Princeton this year.

It’s like a mix of whites and Asians, but given the Asian discrimination lawsuit out if Harvard-I definitely could see Asians not providing race. Some surnames will be obvious though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jokes aside, I wonder what would happen if every single 99th percentile black student decided to apply to Princeton? Would their suddenly be 500 in the freshman class instead of 30? The efforts being put into finding them and encouraging them to apply can increase. I believe I saw evidence of that last year.

99th percentile among blacks is ~1400. 99th percentile among the general population is closer to 1530.
There are ~2000 black students getting 1400+
There are a couple of hundred black students getting 1530+