Button on teacher ID that calls the police

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Goodness. So much agonizing, time and effort when what we should be doing it banning and confiscating guns.

Exactly. What's the point of a button when you could end up with a Uvalde situation. A bunch of chickensh*t cops who won't confront one gunman, leaving little kids to be murdered and others playing dead next to their dead classmates.

As a teacher this is what I always think of when people say “this is why kids need their phones.” Those kids called and called. The police were IN the hallway. They left them there to die. The phones will not make a difference. Uvalde broke something in me- it was so different than other school shootings because I realized if it ever happens, it’s dumb luck. You’re not getting a hero. The security officer at Parkland ran away. Law enforcement stood outside Uvalde for 73 minutes and let those kids take the bullets. The only thing that saves you in a school shooting is the shooter never shoots into the room you’re in. That’s about it. Phones, buttons, apps, police- none of that is the difference maker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:911 takes 2 seconds and we have phones in our rooms. You guys complain about wasting money and then just want to waste money a different way.

This calls 911, and it allows teachers to call while they are hiding or getting kids into a lockdown position, rather than the teacher needing to be at a classroom telephone.

I understand what it does. I am saying the perceived benefit of safety it provides is negligible. Safety theater. You can dial 911 and never even say anything and the police will come. It’s the difference of pushing one button or three, that’s it

I think what they had in Georgia (if this is the same) also changed every classroom computer screen announce to lockdown. I think pressing a button is faster/safer than calling 911 and having to speak to an operator.

We have that. It’s called Raptor.

Yeah? Explain how that works and how that's equally quick and efficient, please.

Raptor is pretty easy—you open the app and can call a lockdown and emergency services are called— but AFAIK it doesn’t pinpoint the location the way this tech seems to. You can message it on Raptor, but that assumes you are physically and mentally able to text.

This assumes Raptor works better than the other technology APS has bought recently, like Where’s the Bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

I hope you’re joking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:911 takes 2 seconds and we have phones in our rooms. You guys complain about wasting money and then just want to waste money a different way.

This calls 911, and it allows teachers to call while they are hiding or getting kids into a lockdown position, rather than the teacher needing to be at a classroom telephone.

I understand what it does. I am saying the perceived benefit of safety it provides is negligible. Safety theater. You can dial 911 and never even say anything and the police will come. It’s the difference of pushing one button or three, that’s it

I think what they had in Georgia (if this is the same) also changed every classroom computer screen announce to lockdown. I think pressing a button is faster/safer than calling 911 and having to speak to an operator.

We have that. It’s called Raptor.

Yeah? Explain how that works and how that's equally quick and efficient, please.

Raptor is pretty easy—you open the app and can call a lockdown and emergency services are called— but AFAIK it doesn’t pinpoint the location the way this tech seems to. You can message it on Raptor, but that assumes you are physically and mentally able to text.

This assumes Raptor works better than the other technology APS has bought recently, like Where’s the Bus.

So you think none of the tech APS buys works , yet you want APS to buy THIS tech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

Huh? Its to protect you! Its to get help to YOU sooner. OMG.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Goodness. So much agonizing, time and effort when what we should be doing it banning and confiscating guns.

Exactly. What's the point of a button when you could end up with a Uvalde situation. A bunch of chickensh*t cops who won't confront one gunman, leaving little kids to be murdered and others playing dead next to their dead classmates.

I hope you're comfortable with that perspective if its your kid in the building next time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

Huh? Its to protect you! Its to get help to YOU sooner. OMG.

I think even a moron can conceptualize how bleak the idea is of having to wear a button around your neck all day long while teaching in case you need emergency assistance for a shooting rather than anyone just BANNING THE WEAPONS. Like, it’s a school, you really think teachers want to wear a constant reminder around their neck reminding them they and their kids might need to call 911 for a gunman one day? It’s depressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goodness. So much agonizing, time and effort when what we should be doing it banning and confiscating guns.

Exactly. What's the point of a button when you could end up with a Uvalde situation. A bunch of chickensh*t cops who won't confront one gunman, leaving little kids to be murdered and others playing dead next to their dead classmates.

As a teacher this is what I always think of when people say “this is why kids need their phones.” Those kids called and called. The police were IN the hallway. They left them there to die. The phones will not make a difference. Uvalde broke something in me- it was so different than other school shootings because I realized if it ever happens, it’s dumb luck. You’re not getting a hero. The security officer at Parkland ran away. Law enforcement stood outside Uvalde for 73 minutes and let those kids take the bullets. The only thing that saves you in a school shooting is the shooter never shoots into the room you’re in. That’s about it. Phones, buttons, apps, police- none of that is the difference maker.

Really? You just described how the police where the difference maker!

[Anonymous]

I think they should have a button and it should be hardwired. There could be an instance where staying as quiet as possible is needed and can’t risk the making a call. Better to have more options than less.

Some buildings have areas with bad service - cell and wifi- better to have something hard wired that can be counted on in an emergency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goodness. So much agonizing, time and effort when what we should be doing it banning and confiscating guns.

Exactly. What's the point of a button when you could end up with a Uvalde situation. A bunch of chickensh*t cops who won't confront one gunman, leaving little kids to be murdered and others playing dead next to their dead classmates.

As a teacher this is what I always think of when people say “this is why kids need their phones.” Those kids called and called. The police were IN the hallway. They left them there to die. The phones will not make a difference. Uvalde broke something in me- it was so different than other school shootings because I realized if it ever happens, it’s dumb luck. You’re not getting a hero. The security officer at Parkland ran away. Law enforcement stood outside Uvalde for 73 minutes and let those kids take the bullets. The only thing that saves you in a school shooting is the shooter never shoots into the room you’re in. That’s about it. Phones, buttons, apps, police- none of that is the difference maker.

Really? You just described how the police where the difference maker!

The police were there and the kids all still died. They made no difference. They might as well never have been called.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

Huh? Its to protect you! Its to get help to YOU sooner. OMG.

I think even a moron can conceptualize how bleak the idea is of having to wear a button around your neck all day long while teaching in case you need emergency assistance for a shooting rather than anyone just BANNING THE WEAPONS. Like, it’s a school, you really think teachers want to wear a constant reminder around their neck reminding them they and their kids might need to call 911 for a gunman one day? It’s depressing.

Thank you for understanding my point.

[Anonymous]

Are classroom doors reinforced now? When they are locked, can they withstand gunfire?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

Huh? Its to protect you! Its to get help to YOU sooner. OMG.

I think even a moron can conceptualize how bleak the idea is of having to wear a button around your neck all day long while teaching in case you need emergency assistance for a shooting rather than anyone just BANNING THE WEAPONS. Like, it’s a school, you really think teachers want to wear a constant reminder around their neck reminding them they and their kids might need to call 911 for a gunman one day? It’s depressing.

Well, even a moron can understand that you don’t need the button to know this is our reality, and sadly too many rich white men value their guns over our children, so this is going to be our reality for a very long time. It’s not a this or that. It’s what can we do to make ourselves safer given the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want the physical or psychological weight of this hanging around my neck all day. The job is hard enough

Huh? Its to protect you! Its to get help to YOU sooner. OMG.

I think even a moron can conceptualize how bleak the idea is of having to wear a button around your neck all day long while teaching in case you need emergency assistance for a shooting rather than anyone just BANNING THE WEAPONS. Like, it’s a school, you really think teachers want to wear a constant reminder around their neck reminding them they and their kids might need to call 911 for a gunman one day? It’s depressing.

Thank you for understanding my point.

Your point is not reality. I am a member of Mom’s demand action and agree obviously banning these weapons is the answer. It’s not our current environment though.

[Anonymous]

I’m an APS elementary teacher. I haven’t heard of raptor except for visitor sign in. Is it only implemented in middle/high schools? Our classroom doors are not reinforced. Our playground is completely open to the public access and not even fully fenced when students are outside.