Vienna, BRYC, or FPYL Soccer for travel (3rd grader)

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Anonymous wrote:Vienna admins working hard to sell the club. That’s all you have to know about how it’s going. I say go where you get the best vibes for your kid.

Definitely not a club admin. Ask anyone that has a u9/10 daughter at the club. Skills practice for the majority of every practice. Maybe you don’t agree with the approach but it’s what they do.

We know a lot of people who are at U9/U10 and they don’t agree with your opinion. Very different experience on the situation there. We left earlier, but we also know people that were at U11/U12 and they absolutely hated it. I guess for some it may be a good experience, maybe the coaching staff likes your daughter and family. For most others that are not favored seem to have a different experience. Perhaps understand it from their point of view and why they leave. That might explain the mass exodus from your program at Vienna.

It’s not an opinion. It is fact. The majority of u9/10 Vienna girls’ practices are spent on skill development. It cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Like every club, there are a number of families that don’t feel appreciated because they aren’t selected or moved to a higher team or playing time/position concerns. I understand their point of view and even agree that they should go where it is best for their kid, but this is not something that is unique to Vienna. Every club has this dynamic. Some are just better at selling false hopes and promises.

If U9-U12 is so great then why are Vienna's numbers so bad? You claim it is "fact" and "undisputed", but this very thread would say that it is disputed. I admit, there is one great coach at U9-U10 (RH), but he's not even in charge of everything anymore. So there is a good chance your kid won't even get him. Why stay just for him?

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Anonymous wrote:Vienna admins working hard to sell the club. That’s all you have to know about how it’s going. I say go where you get the best vibes for your kid.

Definitely not a club admin. Ask anyone that has a u9/10 daughter at the club. Skills practice for the majority of every practice. Maybe you don’t agree with the approach but it’s what they do.

We know a lot of people who are at U9/U10 and they don’t agree with your opinion. Very different experience on the situation there. We left earlier, but we also know people that were at U11/U12 and they absolutely hated it. I guess for some it may be a good experience, maybe the coaching staff likes your daughter and family. For most others that are not favored seem to have a different experience. Perhaps understand it from their point of view and why they leave. That might explain the mass exodus from your program at Vienna.

It’s not an opinion. It is fact. The majority of u9/10 Vienna girls’ practices are spent on skill development. It cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Like every club, there are a number of families that don’t feel appreciated because they aren’t selected or moved to a higher team or playing time/position concerns. I understand their point of view and even agree that they should go where it is best for their kid, but this is not something that is unique to Vienna. Every club has this dynamic. Some are just better at selling false hopes and promises.

If U9-U12 is so great then why are Vienna's numbers so bad? You claim it is "fact" and "undisputed", but this very thread would say that it is disputed. I admit, there is one great coach at U9-U10 (RH), but he's not even in charge of everything anymore. So there is a good chance your kid won't even get him. Why stay just for him?

Noone said the results were good or bad. It was actually recognized that players do leave for a number of reasons. The only fact that was mentioned is that they work largely on skills development for U9-U10. This doesn't typically result in wins or even high IQ players initially. And because of this, parents would rather go to teams that recruit the biggest and fastest, have full-time keepers at U8 and practice set plays. The families of second teamers who aren't getting promoted use this as the reason for why Vienna isn't strong and don't know what they are doing so they leave for second teams at other clubs.

RH oversees both the U9 and U10 practices so you will definitely get him for those age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Vienna admins working hard to sell the club. That’s all you have to know about how it’s going. I say go where you get the best vibes for your kid.

Definitely not a club admin. Ask anyone that has a u9/10 daughter at the club. Skills practice for the majority of every practice. Maybe you don’t agree with the approach but it’s what they do.

We know a lot of people who are at U9/U10 and they don’t agree with your opinion. Very different experience on the situation there. We left earlier, but we also know people that were at U11/U12 and they absolutely hated it. I guess for some it may be a good experience, maybe the coaching staff likes your daughter and family. For most others that are not favored seem to have a different experience. Perhaps understand it from their point of view and why they leave. That might explain the mass exodus from your program at Vienna.

It’s not an opinion. It is fact. The majority of u9/10 Vienna girls’ practices are spent on skill development. It cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Like every club, there are a number of families that don’t feel appreciated because they aren’t selected or moved to a higher team or playing time/position concerns. I understand their point of view and even agree that they should go where it is best for their kid, but this is not something that is unique to Vienna. Every club has this dynamic. Some are just better at selling false hopes and promises.

If U9-U12 is so great then why are Vienna's numbers so bad? You claim it is "fact" and "undisputed", but this very thread would say that it is disputed. I admit, there is one great coach at U9-U10 (RH), but he's not even in charge of everything anymore. So there is a good chance your kid won't even get him. Why stay just for him?

Noone said the results were good or bad. It was actually recognized that players do leave for a number of reasons. The only fact that was mentioned is that they work largely on skills development for U9-U10. This doesn't typically result in wins or even high IQ players initially. And because of this, parents would rather go to teams that recruit the biggest and fastest, have full-time keepers at U8 and practice set plays. The families of second teamers who aren't getting promoted use this as the reason for why Vienna isn't strong and don't know what they are doing so they leave for second teams at other clubs.

RH oversees both the U9 and U10 practices so you will definitely get him for those age groups.

Ok I think I get it now. Vienna is losing players at alarming rates because they run such a good skilled technical practices (facts, undisputed, undeniable, don't even bother trying to argue or disagree ) and parents are very stupid and not patient to see this play out. Sure thing dude got it.

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Childish bickering

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None. Travel is evil

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Anonymous wrote:Vienna admins working hard to sell the club. That’s all you have to know about how it’s going. I say go where you get the best vibes for your kid.

Definitely not a club admin. Ask anyone that has a u9/10 daughter at the club. Skills practice for the majority of every practice. Maybe you don’t agree with the approach but it’s what they do.

We know a lot of people who are at U9/U10 and they don’t agree with your opinion. Very different experience on the situation there. We left earlier, but we also know people that were at U11/U12 and they absolutely hated it. I guess for some it may be a good experience, maybe the coaching staff likes your daughter and family. For most others that are not favored seem to have a different experience. Perhaps understand it from their point of view and why they leave. That might explain the mass exodus from your program at Vienna.

It’s not an opinion. It is fact. The majority of u9/10 Vienna girls’ practices are spent on skill development. It cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Like every club, there are a number of families that don’t feel appreciated because they aren’t selected or moved to a higher team or playing time/position concerns. I understand their point of view and even agree that they should go where it is best for their kid, but this is not something that is unique to Vienna. Every club has this dynamic. Some are just better at selling false hopes and promises.

If U9-U12 is so great then why are Vienna's numbers so bad? You claim it is "fact" and "undisputed", but this very thread would say that it is disputed. I admit, there is one great coach at U9-U10 (RH), but he's not even in charge of everything anymore. So there is a good chance your kid won't even get him. Why stay just for him?

Noone said the results were good or bad. It was actually recognized that players do leave for a number of reasons. The only fact that was mentioned is that they work largely on skills development for U9-U10. This doesn't typically result in wins or even high IQ players initially. And because of this, parents would rather go to teams that recruit the biggest and fastest, have full-time keepers at U8 and practice set plays. The families of second teamers who aren't getting promoted use this as the reason for why Vienna isn't strong and don't know what they are doing so they leave for second teams at other clubs.

RH oversees both the U9 and U10 practices so you will definitely get him for those age groups.

Ok I think I get it now. Vienna is losing players at alarming rates because they run such a good skilled technical practices (facts, undisputed, undeniable, don't even bother trying to argue or disagree ) and parents are very stupid and not patient to see this play out. Sure thing dude got it.

No it’s because parents like you that emphasize winning above all.

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Anonymous wrote:Vienna admins working hard to sell the club. That’s all you have to know about how it’s going. I say go where you get the best vibes for your kid.

Definitely not a club admin. Ask anyone that has a u9/10 daughter at the club. Skills practice for the majority of every practice. Maybe you don’t agree with the approach but it’s what they do.

We know a lot of people who are at U9/U10 and they don’t agree with your opinion. Very different experience on the situation there. We left earlier, but we also know people that were at U11/U12 and they absolutely hated it. I guess for some it may be a good experience, maybe the coaching staff likes your daughter and family. For most others that are not favored seem to have a different experience. Perhaps understand it from their point of view and why they leave. That might explain the mass exodus from your program at Vienna.

It’s not an opinion. It is fact. The majority of u9/10 Vienna girls’ practices are spent on skill development. It cannot be disputed because it is a fact.

Like every club, there are a number of families that don’t feel appreciated because they aren’t selected or moved to a higher team or playing time/position concerns. I understand their point of view and even agree that they should go where it is best for their kid, but this is not something that is unique to Vienna. Every club has this dynamic. Some are just better at selling false hopes and promises.

If U9-U12 is so great then why are Vienna's numbers so bad? You claim it is "fact" and "undisputed", but this very thread would say that it is disputed. I admit, there is one great coach at U9-U10 (RH), but he's not even in charge of everything anymore. So there is a good chance your kid won't even get him. Why stay just for him?

Noone said the results were good or bad. It was actually recognized that players do leave for a number of reasons. The only fact that was mentioned is that they work largely on skills development for U9-U10. This doesn't typically result in wins or even high IQ players initially. And because of this, parents would rather go to teams that recruit the biggest and fastest, have full-time keepers at U8 and practice set plays. The families of second teamers who aren't getting promoted use this as the reason for why Vienna isn't strong and don't know what they are doing so they leave for second teams at other clubs.

RH oversees both the U9 and U10 practices so you will definitely get him for those age groups.

Ok I think I get it now. Vienna is losing players at alarming rates because they run such a good skilled technical practices (facts, undisputed, undeniable, don't even bother trying to argue or disagree ) and parents are very stupid and not patient to see this play out. Sure thing dude got it.

No it’s because parents like you that emphasize winning above all.

I’m convinced. Vienna sounds like a great positive environment for me and my DD. Can’t wait.

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Anonymous wrote:We recently moved from DC and looking for a travel team for next year. I know tryouts are in the spring- the three clubs listed are the closest to our home. TIA!

You should reach out to the clubs and see about practicing with each of them before getting into spring tryouts. We are at Vienna and see this regularly on the boys side. Our coach wants people to ask for it.

It gives you a chance to see what you think of the coaches/kids and gives you a chance for a better team placement because they have seen your kid for awhile vs a mass tryout. On the boys side - they had way more kids at the u-little tryouts this past year than spots on the team, so it really behooves you to get a solid look well in advance.

Also, sometimes spots open up for the spring season, so the sooner you try out, the better.

We’ve been happy at Vienna. Through multiple years, we’ve only had one coach we didn’t care for and for you, the new talent they’ve brought in for U9/U10 seems good. I can’t speak to girls but the families we play with that have sons and daughters at VYS don’t complain loudly about it at their sons’ games about it, so take that for what it is worth…

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For anyone reading, there are multiple posters in this thread, not just the same two people going back and forth. I have posted some of the positive things about VYS girls, but was not part of the last back and forth.

A few observations.

- There seems to be close to unanimous agreement that RH is a nice guy, a strong coach, and a good teacher of skills. I know him well, and he is remembered fondly & positively by current ECNL players. He had some health issues a few years ago that kept him off the field, and limited him, but I believe he is fully healthy now.
- I have never had a kid play for ZS, but he is also known as a nice guy. He's young, so I would guess still developing.
- I think VK is a good coach, but I know a few parents that weren't fans. All of them were parents of players that were moved down from the top team. None of the players were very successful when they switched clubs. Read into that what you will.
- The posters talking about an exodus are at least partially right. The amount of girls' teams for 2013-2015 is below where it has been historically.
- I am close friends with a number of 2013-2015 top team / former top team parents. They are all super nice people. Every one of them who is unhappy, or who has left, is driven because they want to win, not because of the coaching quality. Many did not play soccer, and don't know how to evaluate coaching beyond wins/losses in games. I am 1000% sure that if those teams were winning 75% of their games, it would be a non-issue.
- Another poster wrote about the problems with the above situation, and I agree with it. VYS' system is not built to win at uLittle, they are up front about this. They don't practice set plays. Ever. As written by other posters, it's basically all skills practice. In games and tournaments, the other teams look much better coached. VYS girls turn the ball over a lot in the backfield, and lose. RH's answer to this is "That's how they learn". By U13, they do, as evidenced by my previous stats. Honestly, though, it can be hard, and I can remember questioning it at uLittle with my DD.
- The Vienna girls' program moves players a lot. That causes drama, but does make the program better, and ultimately I believe benefits the girls. Look at some of the other club threads for complaints about players never getting moved down, which means it's harder for girls to move up. My DD benefitted from this, so I'm a fan.
- It's probably a positive thing that some of the parents of older VYS/Brave/Union girls care enough to defend the club here, but for anyone interested, I'd urge you to find an older Phoenix practice or game and ask parents their opinion on the club.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone reading, there are multiple posters in this thread, not just the same two people going back and forth. I have posted some of the positive things about VYS girls, but was not part of the last back and forth.

A few observations.

- There seems to be close to unanimous agreement that RH is a nice guy, a strong coach, and a good teacher of skills. I know him well, and he is remembered fondly & positively by current ECNL players. He had some health issues a few years ago that kept him off the field, and limited him, but I believe he is fully healthy now.
- I have never had a kid play for ZS, but he is also known as a nice guy. He's young, so I would guess still developing.
- I think VK is a good coach, but I know a few parents that weren't fans. All of them were parents of players that were moved down from the top team. None of the players were very successful when they switched clubs. Read into that what you will.
- The posters talking about an exodus are at least partially right. The amount of girls' teams for 2013-2015 is below where it has been historically.
- I am close friends with a number of 2013-2015 top team / former top team parents. They are all super nice people. Every one of them who is unhappy, or who has left, is driven because they want to win, not because of the coaching quality. Many did not play soccer, and don't know how to evaluate coaching beyond wins/losses in games. I am 1000% sure that if those teams were winning 75% of their games, it would be a non-issue.
- Another poster wrote about the problems with the above situation, and I agree with it. VYS' system is not built to win at uLittle, they are up front about this. They don't practice set plays. Ever. As written by other posters, it's basically all skills practice. In games and tournaments, the other teams look much better coached. VYS girls turn the ball over a lot in the backfield, and lose. RH's answer to this is "That's how they learn". By U13, they do, as evidenced by my previous stats. Honestly, though, it can be hard, and I can remember questioning it at uLittle with my DD.
- The Vienna girls' program moves players a lot. That causes drama, but does make the program better, and ultimately I believe benefits the girls. Look at some of the other club threads for complaints about players never getting moved down, which means it's harder for girls to move up. My DD benefitted from this, so I'm a fan.
- It's probably a positive thing that some of the parents of older VYS/Brave/Union girls care enough to defend the club here, but for anyone interested, I'd urge you to find an older Phoenix practice or game and ask parents their opinion on the club.

What a cop out to say the ppl who left only did so because of a desire to win.  What are your metrics for stating they are so great?  The success at older ages is because VYS has imported talent from other teams (eh hem McLean’s 2nd & 3rd teams).  I bet those those kids are not homegrown talent.  Provide percentages of the number of girls who are homegrown from u-littles on up on the older Phoenix teams.  

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone reading, there are multiple posters in this thread, not just the same two people going back and forth. I have posted some of the positive things about VYS girls, but was not part of the last back and forth.

A few observations.

- There seems to be close to unanimous agreement that RH is a nice guy, a strong coach, and a good teacher of skills. I know him well, and he is remembered fondly & positively by current ECNL players. He had some health issues a few years ago that kept him off the field, and limited him, but I believe he is fully healthy now.
- I have never had a kid play for ZS, but he is also known as a nice guy. He's young, so I would guess still developing.
- I think VK is a good coach, but I know a few parents that weren't fans. All of them were parents of players that were moved down from the top team. None of the players were very successful when they switched clubs. Read into that what you will.
- The posters talking about an exodus are at least partially right. The amount of girls' teams for 2013-2015 is below where it has been historically.
- I am close friends with a number of 2013-2015 top team / former top team parents. They are all super nice people. Every one of them who is unhappy, or who has left, is driven because they want to win, not because of the coaching quality. Many did not play soccer, and don't know how to evaluate coaching beyond wins/losses in games. I am 1000% sure that if those teams were winning 75% of their games, it would be a non-issue.
- Another poster wrote about the problems with the above situation, and I agree with it. VYS' system is not built to win at uLittle, they are up front about this. They don't practice set plays. Ever. As written by other posters, it's basically all skills practice. In games and tournaments, the other teams look much better coached. VYS girls turn the ball over a lot in the backfield, and lose. RH's answer to this is "That's how they learn". By U13, they do, as evidenced by my previous stats. Honestly, though, it can be hard, and I can remember questioning it at uLittle with my DD.
- The Vienna girls' program moves players a lot. That causes drama, but does make the program better, and ultimately I believe benefits the girls. Look at some of the other club threads for complaints about players never getting moved down, which means it's harder for girls to move up. My DD benefitted from this, so I'm a fan.
- It's probably a positive thing that some of the parents of older VYS/Brave/Union girls care enough to defend the club here, but for anyone interested, I'd urge you to find an older Phoenix practice or game and ask parents their opinion on the club.

What a cop out to say the ppl who left only did so because of a desire to win.  What are your metrics for stating they are so great?  The success at older ages is because VYS has imported talent from other teams (eh hem McLean’s 2nd & 3rd teams).  I bet those those kids are not homegrown talent.  Provide percentages of the number of girls who are homegrown from u-littles on up on the older Phoenix teams.  

As shared earlier in the thread, 5 out of 6 Vienna Phoenix 11v11 teams are stronger than McLean green. There are not many former McLean players on those teams, and many years have literally no former McLean players at all, although I can think of two players on the 2009s that are strong. If Vienna can take McLean white players, put them on Phoenix, and then beat McLean green, I think that's pretty clearly a poor reflection of McLean's talent identification and a positive reflection on Vienna.

Between 60%-80% of Vienna's 11v11 Phoenix players are homegrown, depending on year. Most non-homegrown players come from BRYC, Valor, and GFR, with a smattering from smaller clubs that don't have ECRL or ECNL pathways.

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VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.

Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.

-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun

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Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.

Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.

-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun

No one is going to Valor, be real now

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Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.

Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.

-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun

No one is going to Valor, be real now

Aww did someone hurt you?

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Anonymous wrote:VYS coaches lurking overtime on the message boards.

Keep doing what you’re doing guys, it’s really working well. Don’t change a thing.

-Signed McLean, SYC, GFR, BRYC, Valor, Arlington, Loudoun

No one is going to Valor, be real now

Poor Valor is always pooped on… even on another club’s thread. VYS happy to let someone else take the heat.