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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For anyone reading, there are multiple posters in this thread, not just the same two people going back and forth.  I have posted some of the positive things about VYS girls, but was not part of the last back and forth.

A few observations.

- There seems to be close to unanimous agreement that RH is a nice guy, a strong coach, and a good teacher of skills.  I know him well, and he is remembered fondly & positively by current ECNL players.  He had some health issues a few years ago that kept him off the field, and limited him, but I believe he is fully healthy now.  
- I have never had a kid play for ZS, but he is also known as a nice guy.  He's young, so I would guess still developing.
- I think VK is a good coach, but I know a few parents that weren't fans.  All of them were parents of players that were moved down from the top team.  None of the players were very successful when they switched clubs.  Read into that what you will.
- The posters talking about an exodus are at least partially right.  The amount of girls' teams for 2013-2015 is below where it has been historically.  
- I am close friends with a number of 2013-2015 top team / former top team parents.  They are all super nice people.  Every one of them who is unhappy, or who has left, is driven because they want to win, not because of the coaching quality.  Many did not play soccer, and don't know how to evaluate coaching beyond wins/losses in games.  I am 1000% sure that if those teams were winning 75% of their games, it would be a non-issue.
- Another poster wrote about the problems with the above situation, and I agree with it.  VYS' system is not built to win at uLittle, they are up front about this.  They don't practice set plays.  Ever.  As written by other posters, it's basically all skills practice.  In games and tournaments, the other teams look much better coached.  VYS girls turn the ball over a lot in the backfield, and lose.  RH's answer to this is "That's how they learn".  By U13, they do, as evidenced by my previous stats.  Honestly, though, it can be hard, and I can remember questioning it at uLittle with my DD.  
- The Vienna girls' program moves players a lot.  That causes drama, but does make the program better, and ultimately I believe benefits the girls.  Look at some of the other club threads for complaints about players never getting moved down, which means it's harder for girls to move up.  My DD benefitted from this, so I'm a fan.
- It's probably a positive thing that some of the parents of older VYS/Brave/Union girls care enough to defend the club here, but for anyone interested, I'd urge you to find an older Phoenix practice or game and ask parents their opinion on the club.  
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What a cop out to say the ppl who left only did so because of a desire to win.  What are your metrics for stating they are so great?  The success at older ages is because VYS has imported talent from other teams (eh hem McLean’s 2nd & 3rd teams).  I bet those those kids are not homegrown talent.  Provide percentages of the number of girls who are homegrown from u-littles on up on the older Phoenix teams.  [/quote]

As shared earlier in the thread, 5 out of 6 Vienna Phoenix 11v11 teams are stronger than McLean green.  There are not many former McLean players on those teams, and many years have literally no former McLean players at all, although I can think of two players on the 2009s that are strong.  If Vienna can take McLean white players, put them on Phoenix, and then beat McLean green, I think that's pretty clearly a poor reflection of McLean's talent identification and a positive reflection on Vienna.

Between 60%-80% of Vienna's 11v11 Phoenix players are homegrown, depending on year.  Most non-homegrown players come from BRYC, Valor, and GFR, with a smattering from smaller clubs that don't have ECRL or ECNL pathways.   [/quote]

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