APS heat advisory

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Chill the heck down. Most HVACs at these schools are not great at keeping the buildings cool. So getting the kids all hot and sweaty and then placing them in a room that is a humid 78 will lead to some folks with heat related illnesses. Sure the morning may have been cool enough, but it was still a dew point of 72 and very humid.

OP was talking about morning recess. It was approximately 75 degrees and overcast at the time recess was cancelled this morning.

As someone who who was playing tennis outdoors at 8:30 am, I can tell you it was at least 80 per my phone and it was NOT overcast!
I am sure you were comfy and cool posting from your home office.

I was walking my kids to school and it was lovely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Because we don’t have NWS advisories for rain and rain is a much more common occurrence than extreme heat. It’s more like coming up with a county wide policy for snow days than rain.

Also I don’t think you understand what a slippery slope argument is. I was pointing out that no matter what they do parents will complain so may as well make one bright line decision in the hopes of minimizing the peanut gallery. This way they can just pass the buck to the NWS and say because there was X advisory they did Y. Takes any subjectivity out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Because we don’t have NWS advisories for rain and rain is a much more common occurrence than extreme heat. It’s more like coming up with a county wide policy for snow days than rain.

Also I don’t think you understand what a slippery slope argument is. I was pointing out that no matter what they do parents will complain so may as well make one bright line decision in the hopes of minimizing the peanut gallery. This way they can just pass the buck to the NWS and say because there was X advisory they did Y. Takes any subjectivity out of it.

We absolutely have severe thunderstorm warnings and even tornado warnings regularly. APS won't cancel morning recess if severe weather is forecast for the afternoon. They typically cancel recess for the inclement weather, not far in advance of the severe weather.

There are lots of other bright line rules that would make a ton more sense, for instance, starting restrictions at the time the hot weather is forecast to begin or providing schools with a temperature cutoff (e.g., temps higher than X).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

It's absolutely a case of "if you give an inch they take a mile" and parent attitudes are directly contributing to student misbehavior and issues with staff retention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Chill the heck down. Most HVACs at these schools are not great at keeping the buildings cool. So getting the kids all hot and sweaty and then placing them in a room that is a humid 78 will lead to some folks with heat related illnesses. Sure the morning may have been cool enough, but it was still a dew point of 72 and very humid.

Plus the opening and closing of doors and students go in and out for recess makes it more difficult to maintain consistent temps in the building. We had a fire drill this morning and kids were fanning themselves and asking to go inside after a couple minutes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

It's absolutely a case of "if you give an inch they take a mile" and parent attitudes are directly contributing to student misbehavior and issues with staff retention.

Common sense is that cutting recess (for no actual reason) contributes more to bad student behavior.

There's no reason there should be a different standard for heat than for snow or severe storms. If it's not hot yet, there shouldn't be any restrictions. Cut outside activities for actual inclement weather, not for weather that's not expected to happen for hours yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Chill the heck down. Most HVACs at these schools are not great at keeping the buildings cool. So getting the kids all hot and sweaty and then placing them in a room that is a humid 78 will lead to some folks with heat related illnesses. Sure the morning may have been cool enough, but it was still a dew point of 72 and very humid.

Plus the opening and closing of doors and students go in and out for recess makes it more difficult to maintain consistent temps in the building. We had a fire drill this morning and kids were fanning themselves and asking to go inside after a couple minutes

Opening the doors to make students go into the cafeteria as they arrived would stress HVAC systems more than gathering on the playground and coming in all at once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Chill the heck down. Most HVACs at these schools are not great at keeping the buildings cool. So getting the kids all hot and sweaty and then placing them in a room that is a humid 78 will lead to some folks with heat related illnesses. Sure the morning may have been cool enough, but it was still a dew point of 72 and very humid.

Plus the opening and closing of doors and students go in and out for recess makes it more difficult to maintain consistent temps in the building. We had a fire drill this morning and kids were fanning themselves and asking to go inside after a couple minutes

Opening the doors to make students go into the cafeteria as they arrived would stress HVAC systems more than gathering on the playground and coming in all at once.

During the day students are cycling in and out every 30 minutes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they canceled only recess after 1 pm then some parent will complain their kid didn’t get recess while other kids did in the morning. If you leave it up to school by school discretion then some parent will complain that teacher or school X didn’t do the same thing as school Y.

All you complainers are the reason that APS has to come up with a single consistent response to NWS advisories, but then you’re also going to find reason to complain about that.

I have plenty of gripes about APS, but this thread is proof that some parents will complain about everything. I feel bad for the poor teachers who have to put up with annoying whiny parents.

That's one of the weakest slippery slope arguments I've ever heard. Why don't we just cancel recess on any day it might rain too? That way some kids won't get recess when others have it cancelled for rain? Better yet, let's just do away with recess entirely? Why not? It's clearly of no importance to learning.

Chill the heck down. Most HVACs at these schools are not great at keeping the buildings cool. So getting the kids all hot and sweaty and then placing them in a room that is a humid 78 will lead to some folks with heat related illnesses. Sure the morning may have been cool enough, but it was still a dew point of 72 and very humid.

Plus the opening and closing of doors and students go in and out for recess makes it more difficult to maintain consistent temps in the building. We had a fire drill this morning and kids were fanning themselves and asking to go inside after a couple minutes

Opening the doors to make students go into the cafeteria as they arrived would stress HVAC systems more than gathering on the playground and coming in all at once.

During the day students are cycling in and out every 30 minutes

As they do on a normal day. This thread is about not putting restrictions in place when it's not yet hot out. So why is that a problem? It was high 70s to low 80s this morning. That's totally fine for students to be outside AND for HVAC systems.