Trump trusted more than Biden on democracy among key swing-state voters

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Anonymous wrote:People are being influenced by far right propaganda and misinformation. I live in one of those swing states and see it every day. It’s chilling, actually, what some of my neighbors believe.

What do you consider far right propaganda? I actually think one of the major trust issues the Democrats have now is their tendency to label anything they disagree with — much of which are basic centrist governance polices — as “far right propaganda.” The term has become fairly useless when it just means “political positions I don’t like.”

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being influenced by far right propaganda and misinformation. I live in one of those swing states and see it every day. It’s chilling, actually, what some of my neighbors believe.

What do you consider far right propaganda? I actually think one of the major trust issues the Democrats have now is their tendency to label anything they disagree with — much of which are basic centrist governance polices — as “far right propaganda.” The term has become fairly useless when it just means “political positions I don’t like.”

I agree with that. Political parties have to compromise to govern. Not everything we don’t agree with personally is propaganda or harmful to democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being influenced by far right propaganda and misinformation. I live in one of those swing states and see it every day. It’s chilling, actually, what some of my neighbors believe.

What do you consider far right propaganda? I actually think one of the major trust issues the Democrats have now is their tendency to label anything they disagree with — much of which are basic centrist governance polices — as “far right propaganda.” The term has become fairly useless when it just means “political positions I don’t like.”

Nonsense. Disagreements over policy are one thing; people can handle that. The problem is that people suddenly feel that their beliefs are as good as facts and should be treated as such. THAT is what sane people object to.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

Name calling poll respondents and other posters as stupid is unnecessary and rude.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

Name calling poll respondents and other posters as stupid is unnecessary and rude.

The "F Your Feelings" crowd is offended.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

What’s interesting is that your fervent faith-based belief that Democratic politicians only speak with “verifiable facts” is as religiously extremist as any evangelical. You have a lot more in common with the MAGA than you think.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being influenced by far right propaganda and misinformation. I live in one of those swing states and see it every day. It’s chilling, actually, what some of my neighbors believe.

What do you consider far right propaganda? I actually think one of the major trust issues the Democrats have now is their tendency to label anything they disagree with — much of which are basic centrist governance polices — as “far right propaganda.” The term has become fairly useless when it just means “political positions I don’t like.”

Nonsense. Disagreements over policy are one thing; people can handle that. The problem is that people suddenly feel that their beliefs are as good as facts and should be treated as such. THAT is what sane people object to.

A lot of Democrats are plainly unable to handle disagreements over policy. They simply label anything they disagree with as “far right propaganda.” The term has been rendered largely meaningless for a lot of voters.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

Name calling poll respondents and other posters as stupid is unnecessary and rude.

The "F Your Feelings" crowd is offended.

No, the normal people crowd think it’s unnecessary and rude.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

What’s interesting is that your fervent faith-based belief that Democratic politicians only speak with “verifiable facts” is as religiously extremist as any evangelical. You have a lot more in common with the MAGA than you think.

Nice straw man. I never said that only Democrats speak with verifiable facts. I said that Democrats cannot engage people who refuse to engage in objective reality; it's like arguing with a brick wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

Name calling poll respondents and other posters as stupid is unnecessary and rude.

The "F Your Feelings" crowd is offended.

No, the normal people crowd think it’s unnecessary and rude.

Being nice to people who believe in equality of opinion is partially what got us here.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

What’s interesting is that your fervent faith-based belief that Democratic politicians only speak with “verifiable facts” is as religiously extremist as any evangelical. You have a lot more in common with the MAGA than you think.

Nice straw man. I never said that only Democrats speak with verifiable facts. I said that Democrats cannot engage people who refuse to engage in objective reality; it's like arguing with a brick wall.

Ok, this thread is not about how democrats engage people; it’s about the poll results.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much censorship with Biden’s admin? Doesn’t make me feel like they’re trustworthy.

What does Biden’s admin censor? Not trying to argue, just want your pov. Thanks.

NP. I’m not the PP but I am pretty convinced that the aggressive prosecution of Dr. Haim in Texas is a very serious political misstep by the Biden DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/doctor-charged-unauthorized-access-personal-information-pediatric-patients-texas

Republicans out here telling us they think HIPAA is a joke. You guys don’t know or understand what “aggressive prosecution” is, it just seems to be “average prosecution [of your sacred cows].”

Look, I’m not taking a position on the substance. But what I am telling you is that it’s a political misstep and feeds into the narrative that the Democrats use censorship, misuse of the judicial system, and threats of prison to quell political dissent. I’m not a Republican, either, but I’m not willfully blind like a lot of Democrats are.

A big percentage of the country thinks that Trump was politically prosecuted. I don’t agree, but a lot of people believe this. Now you have the DOJ going after someone who was apparently earnestly trying to blow the whistle on what a lot of voters consider medicalized child abuse? It feeds into the existing narrative, and builds what OP is talking about.

Hyperventilating about how the prosecution is correct legally is useless and not helpful. Biden has a serious problem in how he is perceived and it’s time for Democrats to be realistic about that.

dp; I understood what you meant. I think that many democrats (like hyperventilating pp) choose to start complaining about republicans reflexively instead of discussing the issues on substance.

There has to be reasons why Trump is more trusted by the people sampled for this poll, and if people don’t want to discuss the possibilities, they should create their own thread to talk about Trump and republicans.

PP here. You get it. This sort of poll — which I suspect would be widely replicated among swing voters and undecideds in particular — should be ringing all sorts of alarm bells for the Democrats. But those alarm bells aren’t ringing. The reflexive response is instead “but the Republicans,” which entirely misses the point. It’s unhelpful and if anything solidifies the very issue that OP is talking about.

How are the Democrats supposed to handle people who clearly have no grip on reality?

You need to stop believing Democrats are the only ones with a grip on reality. There are clearly situations where the Democrats are as ungrounded in reality as Republicans are. Acknowledge that basic fact, and then you sound a lot more trustworthy.

No, I'm sorry. There is such a thing as verifiable fact. I'm not interested in validating stupidity.

What’s interesting is that your fervent faith-based belief that Democratic politicians only speak with “verifiable facts” is as religiously extremist as any evangelical. You have a lot more in common with the MAGA than you think.

Nice straw man. I never said that only Democrats speak with verifiable facts. I said that Democrats cannot engage people who refuse to engage in objective reality; it's like arguing with a brick wall.

Okay, keep going down that route. Keep taking the position that the Democrats have cornered the market on “objective reality.” See how well that faith holds up for you.

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Anonymous wrote:People are being influenced by far right propaganda and misinformation. I live in one of those swing states and see it every day. It’s chilling, actually, what some of my neighbors believe.

What do you consider far right propaganda? I actually think one of the major trust issues the Democrats have now is their tendency to label anything they disagree with — much of which are basic centrist governance polices — as “far right propaganda.” The term has become fairly useless when it just means “political positions I don’t like.”

Oh come on, you know exactly what I’m talking about. “The 2020 election was stolen”, all the tropes about immigrants, etc.