To submit or not submit? That is the question….

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Anonymous wrote:I would submit. That is a good score. In the context of this application as you describe it, it’s a positive data point.

Temper expectations and have a good solid list below the BC/Emory level. Keep the focus on likelies, rather than reaches.

What's a likely for an applicant like that?

Tufts ED.

Anywhere but Top 20 ED.

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Anonymous wrote:I would submit. 1460 is a really good score and schools will infer a lower one if you go TO.

Agree with this. Also, as more students submit SATs, the medians will come down a bit.

DS had no luck with a slightly higher test score (1490) at many of these same schools, this last cycle. When applying test optional got in everywhere, including Ivy.

I’d critically examine your schools naviance data and make a decision individually by school.

Note - we are at a private HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the advice...DC is not taking the test again. Mental health > 40 points.

"Reach" schools are in the T20-T40 range (ranging from Michigan to Emory to BC). We are full pay and they will ED somewhere.

Have you plugged everything into College Vine? My kid has a slightly lower SAT (1430) with slightly higher GPA (3.98) and rigorous coursework (IB diploma track), and CV consistently says to submit, even for places like Harvard and MIT.

In the explanation it shows the difference between their chances when submitting and not submitting as being minimal, just a few percentage points, but the odds of getting into those schools were already vanishingly small anyway. The spread gets bigger as you step down into “high target” and “target” schools.

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Do we think that the admissions officers are going to know that the digital SAT was harder? Or, are they still going to expect to see paper level scores? I am not sure that that excepted student test scores are going to go down for 2025.

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Accepted

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Anonymous wrote:Do we think that the admissions officers are going to know that the digital SAT was harder? Or, are they still going to expect to see paper level scores? I am not sure that that excepted student test scores are going to go down for 2025.

They’ll figure it out when they’re seeing fewer 1500+ applicants, won’t they? They’re not comparing against some objective standard, but against the other applications they have in hand.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we think that the admissions officers are going to know that the digital SAT was harder? Or, are they still going to expect to see paper level scores? I am not sure that that excepted student test scores are going to go down for 2025.

Agree. I don’t think it will go down for another cycle. Not this next cycle, but the one after that. Current sophomore class in high school.

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Also depends on their HS average. If their HS has a much lower average then the strengthens it. The admissions officer will see that they did better than should be expected from their HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we think that the admissions officers are going to know that the digital SAT was harder? Or, are they still going to expect to see paper level scores? I am not sure that that excepted student test scores are going to go down for 2025.

They’ll figure it out when they’re seeing fewer 1500+ applicants, won’t they? They’re not comparing against some objective standard, but against the other applications they have in hand.

I don’t know. I think they will waitlist kids that they would admit in future years. I don’t think 2025 is going to see the benefit of test required and digital SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the advice...DC is not taking the test again. Mental health > 40 points.

"Reach" schools are in the T20-T40 range (ranging from Michigan to Emory to BC). We are full pay and they will ED somewhere.

Pick an ED2 as well if possible. Make sure that your son has targets and safeties he likes, the schools you name are long shits with the stats and activities you describe.

Long shots, interesting word choice from autocorrect.

Dont submit to Michigan or BC.

+1 I would even say for Emory. He’s not getting into Michigan anyway, sorry.

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It no longer matters what we think a ‘good score’ is. I. The world of TO, the colleges are competing with each other’s published scores, which are skewed because of TO.
If the score helps the published median, submit.
If it does not, do not submit.

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“We were advicsed that over 700 in each should be admitted everywhere.”

That’s absolutely untrue! That’s not even true for Maryland, let alone many of the other schools mentioned here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It no longer matters what we think a ‘good score’ is. I. The world of TO, the colleges are competing with each other’s published scores, which are skewed because of TO.
If the score helps the published median, submit.
If it does not, do not submit.

This!

Until TO does not exist- think about what benefits the school, not what benefits your applicant.

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Anonymous wrote:“We were advicsed that over 700 in each should be admitted everywhere.”

That’s absolutely untrue! That’s not even true for Maryland, let alone many of the other schools mentioned here.

Right!!
Such horrible advice!!
Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would submit. 1460 is a really good score and schools will infer a lower one if you go TO.

Agree with this. Also, as more students submit SATs, the medians will come down a bit.

DS had no luck with a slightly higher test score (1490) at many of these same schools, this last cycle. When applying test optional got in everywhere, including Ivy.

I’d critically examine your schools naviance data and make a decision individually by school.

Note - we are at a private HS.

This is not useful other than to direct to naviance. Generally local public school grades don’t translate to local private school grades. Further, this next cycle is going to be hostile to test optional than prior years. My guess is that Ivy is either Columbia or Cornell ( which is test aware this cycle).