To submit or not submit? That is the question….

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Anonymous wrote:DC has taken the SAT three times. Final score is 1460 (710v, 750m). This score is between the 25th and 50th percentiles for their “reach” schools, most of which appear to have about 30-40% apply test optional.

DC has great grades (3.95+ us) from an area public with high rigor; decent but not outstanding extracurricular activities. No hooks. LOCs will be fine but public school is big and doesn’t have a particularly close relationship with any teacher so we don’t expect those to be anything special.

Submit scores?

Our DS is similar. Taken the test twice, has cleared 1450 (>700 on each section) but not 1500, and is done. Great grades at a well regarded private school. Solid ECs. No hooks. He's planning to submit everywhere. Unlikely to hurt him most places, might help him in some, and, regardless, he has a bunch of schools he'd be excited to attend and he'd rather be dinged from some of them than feel like he snuck into wherever he ends up.

How sad that your kid attaches so much of his self-worth to a test score and can’t imagine he could be valued as an applicant without it.

+1 It's insulting to say TO kids "snuck in" No, they had great grades in hard classes, ECs, recommendations, AP scores, and essays.

There’s a lot of objective data showing that the test optional kids are not doing as well as the kids who submitted scores.

There's also a lot of objective data showing the opposite.

Not aware of any post covid studies that show this, can you cite?

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

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I would submit; always thought TO feels like you are hiding something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has taken the SAT three times. Final score is 1460 (710v, 750m). This score is between the 25th and 50th percentiles for their “reach” schools, most of which appear to have about 30-40% apply test optional.

DC has great grades (3.95+ us) from an area public with high rigor; decent but not outstanding extracurricular activities. No hooks. LOCs will be fine but public school is big and doesn’t have a particularly close relationship with any teacher so we don’t expect those to be anything special.

Submit scores?

Our DS is similar. Taken the test twice, has cleared 1450 (>700 on each section) but not 1500, and is done. Great grades at a well regarded private school. Solid ECs. No hooks. He's planning to submit everywhere. Unlikely to hurt him most places, might help him in some, and, regardless, he has a bunch of schools he'd be excited to attend and he'd rather be dinged from some of them than feel like he snuck into wherever he ends up.

How sad that your kid attaches so much of his self-worth to a test score and can’t imagine he could be valued as an applicant without it.

Such a disingenuous misread.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Did DC get in? RD or ED? Public or Private?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting question posted on AN25 today about not submitting test scores to likelies if the test score is much much higher than the school’s average score (yield protection)?

What is AN25?

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Seriously? You went TO with a 1500? Were you admitted TO? That is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Did DC get in? RD or ED? Public or Private?

WL at Vandy RD with TO from private HS (accepted off WL in late April).
Did not submit scores to Rice RD (accepted), Michigan (accepted) and an Ivy RD (accepted and attending).
Submitted scores to other RD schools, incl WashU (WL) and Emory (WL); rejected from 2 other ivies in RD; deferred then rejected from 1 private T10 in ED (submitted scores to all 3 of these).
Trying not to give too much identifying info but high GPA/very high rigor, non-stem major.

Each school where scores were submitted in RD was decided by CCO's suggestions and our private counselor; decision for each college made separately after looking at each school's CDS and reviewing TO success stats from our private's admitted students over last 2 years (ask for CCO to give you recommendations on whether to submit based on this data if you are at a private), and after the results from ED.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Seriously? You went TO with a 1500? Were you admitted TO? That is insane.

The conventional wisdom would be not to submit that score given more than 50% of freshman admitted at Vanderbilt were TO....and its exactly the 25% (not even a bit higher). Vanderbilt skews high - and most people who apply TO there have a 1400-1500.....

I agree.
Don't submit that IF you have very very strong grades and course rigor.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Did DC get in? RD or ED? Public or Private?

WL at Vandy RD with TO from private HS (accepted off WL in late April).
Did not submit scores to Rice RD (accepted), Michigan (accepted) and an Ivy RD (accepted and attending).
Submitted scores to other RD schools, incl WashU (WL) and Emory (WL); rejected from 2 other ivies in RD; deferred then rejected from 1 private T10 in ED (submitted scores to all 3 of these).
Trying not to give too much identifying info but high GPA/very high rigor, non-stem major.

Each school where scores were submitted in RD was decided by CCO's suggestions and our private counselor; decision for each college made separately after looking at each school's CDS and reviewing TO success stats from our private's admitted students over last 2 years (ask for CCO to give you recommendations on whether to submit based on this data if you are at a private), and after the results from ED.

Wow that is actually really helpful and interesting PP thank you. It debunks a lot of the "theories" of various posters on here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Did DC get in? RD or ED? Public or Private?

WL at Vandy RD with TO from private HS (accepted off WL in late April).
Did not submit scores to Rice RD (accepted), Michigan (accepted) and an Ivy RD (accepted and attending).
Submitted scores to other RD schools, incl WashU (WL) and Emory (WL); rejected from 2 other ivies in RD; deferred then rejected from 1 private T10 in ED (submitted scores to all 3 of these).
Trying not to give too much identifying info but high GPA/very high rigor, non-stem major.

Each school where scores were submitted in RD was decided by CCO's suggestions and our private counselor; decision for each college made separately after looking at each school's CDS and reviewing TO success stats from our private's admitted students over last 2 years (ask for CCO to give you recommendations on whether to submit based on this data if you are at a private), and after the results from ED.

I would have thought the CCO would tell you to submit a 1500 to Michigan. Really surprised you went TO there with the score. Sounds like great results. Congrats!

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdote: my kid was waffling over submitting a 1500 score to schools, including CMU (for engineering). I convinced him to do it, as I feel like trying to get into a STEM program as an unhooked UMC kid looks shady. He thought for sure he wouldn't get in, but did - and this was not even for ED. (FYI -- he turned CMU down for GT, another school he thought his score was too low for).

Well...1500 is a good score. It would be foolish not to submit.

We did not submit that to Vanderbilt last year.

Did DC get in? RD or ED? Public or Private?

WL at Vandy RD with TO from private HS (accepted off WL in late April).
Did not submit scores to Rice RD (accepted), Michigan (accepted) and an Ivy RD (accepted and attending).
Submitted scores to other RD schools, incl WashU (WL) and Emory (WL); rejected from 2 other ivies in RD; deferred then rejected from 1 private T10 in ED (submitted scores to all 3 of these).
Trying not to give too much identifying info but high GPA/very high rigor, non-stem major.

Each school where scores were submitted in RD was decided by CCO's suggestions and our private counselor; decision for each college made separately after looking at each school's CDS and reviewing TO success stats from our private's admitted students over last 2 years (ask for CCO to give you recommendations on whether to submit based on this data if you are at a private), and after the results from ED.

Is your kid white/Asian? Is their school mostly white/Asian?