More waitlist movement than usual?

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Anonymous wrote:Had a senior last year and one this year - MUCH more movement this year. Oldest child didn't have a single friend, didn't hear of anyone who got off a waitlist. This year - quite a few!

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Last year heard of 2 ppl from our school and it was in June....

This year...dozens (in a class of about 100) who have been contacted.

Its strange.

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My nephew got off the waitlist at NYU last week (they gave him 5 days to respond). He turned the spot down.

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DC got off the waitlist at an Ivy. A friend also got off the waitlist at a top LAC.

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What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

[Anonymous]

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

I think double depositing is more rampant than ever and colleges have to pad their numbers to account for melt.

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I know a ton of kids as well. UVA, UCLA (x at least 5 kids), Georgetown, and the list goes on.
This is a private high school.

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Agree. Have heard the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

Disagree.
The EM models didn’t work this year. Either AOs start focusing on DI differently to find the kids who will actually accept, or the same thing happens next year (remember population boom ends with this next class so we aren’t at peak college applicants yet)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a ton of kids as well. UVA, UCLA (x at least 5 kids), Georgetown, and the list goes on.
This is a private high school.

UVA and UCLA took a lot off the list last year as well. I think UCLA had three significant waves off waitlist last year. Due to their limited housing , I think they are very conservative with initial admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know a ton of kids as well. UVA, UCLA (x at least 5 kids), Georgetown, and the list goes on.
This is a private high school.

UVA and UCLA took a lot off the list last year as well. I think UCLA had three significant waves off waitlist last year. Due to their limited housing , I think they are very conservative with initial admissions.

Yes I was going to say the same, UC’s actually use their waitlist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

Disagree.
The EM models didn’t work this year. Either AOs start focusing on DI differently to find the kids who will actually accept, or the same thing happens next year (remember population boom ends with this next class so we aren’t at peak college applicants yet)

What’s EM and DI mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

Disagree.
The EM models didn’t work this year. Either AOs start focusing on DI differently to find the kids who will actually accept, or the same thing happens next year (remember population boom ends with this next class so we aren’t at peak college applicants yet)

What’s EM and DI mean?

EM= Enrollment Management

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

Disagree.
The EM models didn’t work this year. Either AOs start focusing on DI differently to find the kids who will actually accept, or the same thing happens next year (remember population boom ends with this next class so we aren’t at peak college applicants yet)

What’s EM and DI mean?

EM= Enrollment Management

And DI = Demonstrated Interest

Basically, DI is now gameified. Kids know they have to go on the tours, attend the virtual sessions, open the emails and click on the links. It’s just part of the job of applying to college. So the fact that kids do those things is no longer a good indicator of actual interest.

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Anonymous wrote:

What do you all think this will mean for next year? Will schools accept more kids at the start?

No, they can't risk over enrolling their class. Hopefully, people will see the results from this class and dial back the frenzy and the 20+ applications.

Disagree.
The EM models didn’t work this year. Either AOs start focusing on DI differently to find the kids who will actually accept, or the same thing happens next year (remember population boom ends with this next class so we aren’t at peak college applicants yet)

What’s EM and DI mean?

EM= Enrollment Management

And DI = Demonstrated Interest

Basically, DI is now gameified. Kids know they have to go on the tours, attend the virtual sessions, open the emails and click on the links. It’s just part of the job of applying to college. So the fact that kids do those things is no longer a good indicator of actual interest.

Agreed. The admissions offices will have to look at the carnage of this year and figure out based on the new data who is actually interested in enrolling.

My child got into our selective state flagship. He was waitlisted by an Ivy where he was a legacy but chose not to pursue the waitlist just to "see" what would happen. I kind of wish we had the data point but it's enough to know they didn't want to directly admit him.

One thing I found interesting was that Pitt asked for info on all the schools he applied to when he declined the offer. Clearly they are going to datamine that for next year. I am a Pitt alum and I appreciated that they were smart enough to do that. The only way Pitt would have been in the running for my son would have been if he got rejected from our flagship or if he got a fantastic scholarship which he did not. But I think so highly of the school and what it did for my family (& donate $) that I like to know they are prepping for the future. Younger son may consider if he can raise his SATs to 1500.

The thing that will be different next year is the impact of the giant FAFSA screw-up this year. I think that will be hard to account for and that models built on this year's data will have to be redone after next year's season ends.

I don't think the enrollment cliff will impact the Top 50 schools or the number of apps per student. With admit rates below 10% for Ivies, it doesn't really matter if the number of applicants falls by a huge amount. Admissions will still be lottery ticket like.