Is Waynewood the least diverse school in FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So there aren’t any white kids at hybla valley?

2.83%

https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:206,0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be illegal for school districts to draws attendance zones by explicitly considering racial demographics. There was a SCOTUS case that severely limited this practice. So school districts have to be very careful to avoid explicit consideration of race when making school boundary decisions.

I don’t see how you can redraw the lines for Waynewood. The geographic boundaries make logical sense. [/quote]

They redraw the lines by busing in kids from across Rt. 1 like they do at Ft. Hunt Elementary. Ft. Hunt's geographic boundaries don't make logical sense. There is an "island" of kids who are bused to Rt. 1. Kids all around this island go to either Hybla Valley or Mount Vernon Woods, two of the poorest elementary schools in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be illegal for school districts to draws attendance zones by explicitly considering racial demographics. There was a SCOTUS case that severely limited this practice. So school districts have to be very careful to avoid explicit consideration of race when making school boundary decisions.

I don’t see how you can redraw the lines for Waynewood. The geographic boundaries make logical sense. [/quote]

They redraw the lines by busing in kids from across Rt. 1 like they do at Ft. Hunt Elementary. Ft. Hunt's geographic boundaries don't make logical sense. There is an "island" of kids who are bused to Rt. 1. Kids all around this island go to either Hybla Valley or Mount Vernon Woods, two of the poorest elementary schools in FCPS.

Ft Hunt busses because their attendance dropped. They have immersion because bussing made attendance drop further. The schools that don't bus (Waynewood and Belleview) are at capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

Colvin Run, 52% white

Math 94
Reading 96
Science 96

Maybe it's more about poor kids dragging schools down and less about race

well, Asians outscore Caucasians but a huge number on SOL scores, and all other standardized tests, so lets not pretend white people score the best PS and no im not Asian, although I have always scored in the 99th percentile

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking to move into the area but I am a little turned off by the fact that it is almost 85% caucasian whereas every other school in the area is more like 60-70%. Are there any other schools this homogeneous in FCPS?

If you are in the area for the long term, you will get diversity when your DC attends Carl Sandburg Middle School and then Westpo. Having kids that have attended Ft. hunt, Stratford and Waynewood, Stratford AAP was my favorite at the time, but I feel like AAP has been watered down there drastically. There is no perfect solution among those schools or very few in fcps these days.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

speaking of tropes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking to move into the area but I am a little turned off by the fact that it is almost 85% caucasian whereas every other school in the area is more like 60-70%. Are there any other schools this homogeneous in FCPS?

Just move to Hybla Valley then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be illegal for school districts to draws attendance zones by explicitly considering racial demographics. There was a SCOTUS case that severely limited this practice. So school districts have to be very careful to avoid explicit consideration of race when making school boundary decisions.

I don’t see how you can redraw the lines for Waynewood. The geographic boundaries make logical sense.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2022-23ElementarySchoolBoundaries.pdf

Obviously the PP saw the blue on the map. That is a big body of water adjacent to the attendance areas for Belle View, Waynewood, Fort Hunt, and then Washington Mill. Grey area adjacent to the water is Fort Belvoir. Scroll down and you have Gunston which haa an attendance area surrounded by big water on 3 sides.

Zoom out and follow the Potomac River and lines for other jurisdictions. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D5FUMM7CBEA1/$file/5-16%20Policy%208130%20Governance%20Working%20Draft%20with%20Committee%20Edits.pdf

Draft includes "Reasonably allow for all students from the adjacent neighborhoods and
communities to attend a school, taking into consideration natural and
man-made barriers (eg major roads, geographic features)."

Major bodies of water and other jurisdictions certainly must be considered when drawing boundaries before adding adjacent neighborhoods that can go to other FCPS schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

They get better test scores (in part) because Asian immigrants (in the US) have higher average skill/education levels than other groups. Asian immigrants on average came from higher SES backgrounds in their country of origin. To the extent that social status is transmissible/heritable this skew in average SES will be reflected in the outcomes of their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

They get better test scores (in part) because Asian immigrants (in the US) have higher average skill/education levels than other groups. Asian immigrants on average came from higher SES backgrounds in their country of origin. To the extent that social status is transmissible/heritable this skew in average SES will be reflected in the outcomes of their children.

Wrong. Asian kids get better test scores because their parents care more about academics than they do about sports or their own pleasure.

Just look at how Asian parents spend their time vs. white moms and dads spend their time. You bet that Asian parents don't spend their day shuttling little Larla to Lacrosse and then sneak off to the country club or hop into Millie's for a Frose with their downtime, picking up some fried zucchini for the kids to eat on the car ride home. After Asian parents pick little La Lee up from Piano, they head straight home, where one parent sits at the dining table and drill math workbooks and the other cooks family dinner, during which they talk about, you guessed it, La Lee's grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

They get better test scores (in part) because Asian immigrants (in the US) have higher average skill/education levels than other groups. Asian immigrants on average came from higher SES backgrounds in their country of origin. To the extent that social status is transmissible/heritable this skew in average SES will be reflected in the outcomes of their children.

Wrong. Asian kids get better test scores because their parents care more about academics than they do about sports or their own pleasure.

Just look at how Asian parents spend their time vs. white moms and dads spend their time. You bet that Asian parents don't spend their day shuttling little Larla to Lacrosse and then sneak off to the country club or hop into Millie's for a Frose with their downtime, picking up some fried zucchini for the kids to eat on the car ride home. After Asian parents pick little La Lee up from Piano, they head straight home, where one parent sits at the dining table and drill math workbooks and the other cooks family dinner, during which they talk about, you guessed it, La Lee's grades.

DP. It depends on the type of Asian family / community. For example, Filipino families in general are much less academically focused than Mongolian families who typically value academic rigour, for example. It boils down to cultural preferences. Of course all communities want the best for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was bored and looked up every elementary school. Below are the four least diverse elementary schools in FCPS. Lynbrook is the least diverse, but Waynewood is the whitest.

Lynbrook
85.5% Hispanic
8% Asian
3.8% Caucasian

Graham Road
82.7% Hispanic
7% Caucasian
5% Black

Waynewood
82.6% Caucasian
6% Hispanic
6.7% Other

Hybla Valley
82% Hispanic
9.6% Black
4.5% Asian

Is that a good thing?

All you need to do is look at test scores to find out.

Lynbrook:
Math: 39%
Reading: 36%
Science: 50%

Graham Road:
Math: 45%
Reading: 51%
Science: 51%

Waynewood:
Math: 91%
Reading: 92%
Science: 82%


Hybla Valley:
Math: 39%
Reading: 38%
Science: 47%

The Waynewood scores are really low for a high-SES school, presumably because there are no Asian kids. If it was a majority Asian school, all of the scores would be in the high 90s. All this is telling me is that it's not as good of a school as you think it is.

Blatant racism about how Asians are good at tests aside...

The "goodness" of a school doesn't really have much to do with the average scores so much as the amount of distraction from learning caused by large populations of underperforming students. If your kid is average, but in a class with 20 kids who don't speak English, or don't bother doing work, etc. etc. then your kid will lose out on their education because the teachers will be focused elsewhere. If on the other hand your kid is surrounded by other good kids who are there to learn, it doesn't matter if they're sterotypical Asian math experts, your kid will still be able to maximize their potential. And THAT is the real difference between Waynweood and, say, Hybla Valley.

Ugh, so tired of people and their stupid "not all asians are good at math" trope. No, sweetie, we know all Asians are not mathletes, but we do know that culturally, the focus on academics is there. And stronger in Asian families (primarily immigrant families) than in caucasian families, so even if my child is academically average, I'm going to force him to study more and ensure he gets good grades instead off making sure he makes the Level 1 travel soccer team so daddy can brag about that.

They get better test scores (in part) because Asian immigrants (in the US) have higher average skill/education levels than other groups. Asian immigrants on average came from higher SES backgrounds in their country of origin. To the extent that social status is transmissible/heritable this skew in average SES will be reflected in the outcomes of their children.

Check the farms rate and test scores in nycs various chinatowns.

You may be surprised to see the results.

https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/new-york/ps-163-flushing-heights-221536#scores

That one is 84% economically disadvantaged and 81% Asian but look at the scores