Nate Silver: "Go to a state school"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Double Ivy grad. Hiring manager at major consulting firm. Agree with everything Silver said. Everything is spot on.

It's not the 1990s any more. Most parents with kids heading to college won't realize how much higher education has changed since their days, especially at elite schools. Even if the name of the classes look familiar, how those classes are taught is hugely different now and far more ideologically slanted.

Our best associates and analyst these days are from major state schools but there's also a place for the good and solid LACs too, so don't lose hope.

BigLaw hiring says otherwise.
https://lawschooli.com/best-law-schools-for-biglaw/

[Anonymous]

people come in their 40s and decide (once it's apparent their kids can't get into the same schools they did), "those schools are so OVER"

meanwhile, those grads are more diverse than ever, more on FA, less privileged, have more work experience coming into college than a generation before, and (pre this TO blip) scored higher on every metric.

plenty of us thought the Yalies (etc) from the class of 1995 were arrogant blowhards. but these kids? I'd take them every day over the previous model of an Ivy League grad

[Anonymous]

More reasons your kids should go your neighborhood public HS. It’s free and will get your kids same state colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More reasons your kids should go your neighborhood public HS. It’s free and will get your kids same state colleges.

You're assuming that the "neighborhood public HS" will prepare your kids equally well to get top grades, once they're attending the state colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.natesilver.net/p/go-to-a-state-school

I don't always agree with Nate Silver but I think he is spot on. I have interviewed several Ivy League grads that came across as entitled and coddled. I have to wonder if other hiring managers are seeing a similar trend.

First, it is one opinion.

Second, he lists reasons that he thinks it makes sense, one of which is:
"I’d also tell them to go with the elite private college if (i) they had a high degree of confidence in what they wanted to do with their degree and (ii) it was in a field like law that regards the credential as particularly valuable."

Ivies and other T25 privates and also top publics do feed into pHDs and top Law and top Med schools (which feed to top cutting-edge medicine residencies) more than the schools ranked tiers below. Never mind careers. For kids who have the academic chops, want to be with a large group of similarly intelligent peers, and have big dreams/ goals of being a top researcher or big law or wall street dreams, a top school dramatically increases their chances.

Is Ivy better than UCB/UCLA? Yes but not by a margin that makes much of a difference. Is Ivy/elite private better than a state school ranked below T75? Yes. By a large margin. The peer groups and opportunities do not even compare.
The splitting hairs over different Ivies and Hopkins vs Georgetown this thread does is ridiculous, but to pretend there is no difference and once can just go to any state school and all will end up the same is also ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Double Ivy grad. Hiring manager at major consulting firm. Agree with everything Silver said. Everything is spot on.

It's not the 1990s any more. Most parents with kids heading to college won't realize how much higher education has changed since their days, especially at elite schools. Even if the name of the classes look familiar, how those classes are taught is hugely different now and far more ideologically slanted.

Our best associates and analyst these days are from major state schools but there's also a place for the good and solid LACs too, so don't lose hope.

BigLaw hiring says otherwise.
https://lawschooli.com/best-law-schools-for-biglaw/

Those are law schools.

Where did the students at those schools go to undergrad? Did they all come from Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More reasons your kids should go your neighborhood public HS. It’s free and will get your kids same state colleges.

You're assuming that the "neighborhood public HS" will prepare your kids equally well to get top grades, once they're attending the state colleges.

Don’t worry. “State colleges” will prepare your kids as good as the “neighborhood public HS” for life.

[Anonymous]

No one said they did, but T20/top SLACs are disproportionately represented at T14 law schools because, guess what? LSAT scores matter in law school admissions!

[Anonymous]

Given that this is “DC” Urban Mom. …you know we don’t have a state school, right? Does anyone here actually live in DC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused by folks calling some Ivy League grads as coddled? Coddled by whom?

by the school. Some elite schools treat their kids as "too big to fail", and don't want to impact their student body average GPA, so they let them withdraw up to the lat week before finals, whereas in big state schools, you can't withdraw that close to finals, and you just take the F or D or whatever, and make it up in the summer. And big state schools don't hold your hand and treat you like you're "special".

You can't withdraw close to finals at Ivies either.

This thread reads like a lot of sour grapes.

Many schools (not just Ivies) care about a diverse student body. The poster who referenced "DEI " admissions as if diversity is bad, clearly has an axe to grind and doesn't understand higher ed.

I don't buy the "double Ivy" poster either. Sure, dude.

Not sure the need for attacks. Lots of great schools out there. Go with what resonates with you and where you can get in. My kid is at an Ivy for its great teaching, resources, community, opportunities and financial aid. It's been a fantastic educational experience so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Double Ivy grad. Hiring manager at major consulting firm. Agree with everything Silver said. Everything is spot on.

It's not the 1990s any more. Most parents with kids heading to college won't realize how much higher education has changed since their days, especially at elite schools. Even if the name of the classes look familiar, how those classes are taught is hugely different now and far more ideologically slanted.

Our best associates and analyst these days are from major state schools but there's also a place for the good and solid LACs too, so don't lose hope.

BigLaw hiring says otherwise.
https://lawschooli.com/best-law-schools-for-biglaw/

If you'd bothered reading Silver's article, you'd notice he made a special exemption for BIGLAW.

But BIGLAW also isn't immune from these changes. There's been controversy aplenty in elite law schools that caused concern at BIGLAW firms. Some offers were rescinded last fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused by folks calling some Ivy League grads as coddled? Coddled by whom?

by the school. Some elite schools treat their kids as "too big to fail", and don't want to impact their student body average GPA, so they let them withdraw up to the lat week before finals, whereas in big state schools, you can't withdraw that close to finals, and you just take the F or D or whatever, and make it up in the summer. And big state schools don't hold your hand and treat you like you're "special".

You can't withdraw close to finals at Ivies either.

This thread reads like a lot of sour grapes.

Many schools (not just Ivies) care about a diverse student body. The poster who referenced "DEI " admissions as if diversity is bad, clearly has an axe to grind and doesn't understand higher ed.

I don't buy the "double Ivy" poster either. Sure, dude.

Not sure the need for attacks. Lots of great schools out there. Go with what resonates with you and where you can get in. My kid is at an Ivy for its great teaching, resources, community, opportunities and financial aid. It's been a fantastic educational experience so far.

I'm the double Ivy grad. Glancing at the two diplomas on the wall in my office as I type this with some amusement. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe, but it sounds like you have an axe to grind too if you refuse to recognize that identity politics in admissions comes with a cost of its own. You can only socially engineer so much before you pay a price for it.

As for the hypocrisy in saying "not sure the need for attacks" when you just attacked me the less said the better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Double Ivy grad. Hiring manager at major consulting firm. Agree with everything Silver said. Everything is spot on.

It's not the 1990s any more. Most parents with kids heading to college won't realize how much higher education has changed since their days, especially at elite schools. Even if the name of the classes look familiar, how those classes are taught is hugely different now and far more ideologically slanted.

Our best associates and analyst these days are from major state schools but there's also a place for the good and solid LACs too, so don't lose hope.

BigLaw hiring says otherwise.
https://lawschooli.com/best-law-schools-for-biglaw/

If you'd bothered reading Silver's article, you'd notice he made a special exemption for BIGLAW.

But BIGLAW also isn't immune from these changes. There's been controversy aplenty in elite law schools that caused concern at BIGLAW firms. Some offers were rescinded last fall.

He didn't say anything about quant firms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:YOUR kids should go to community college then state school or better yet trade school…

My kids? Oh, they are at elite SLACs, Ivies, Georgetown, or UVA at worst.

Yawn. No one asked you to come in and act high and mighty. No one cares about your kids but you.

Oy vey I was mocking talking heads and grifter columnists and influencers. Look up where these folks send their kids while telling you to send your kids to go to community college, a regional university, or trade school. Look who runs the nation. Grads from a handful of colleges always seem to be close to power. Telling proles to avoid the elite colleges keeps your kids out of power and helps their kids get into those feeder universities. You have to have a room temp iq to fall for this propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:people come in their 40s and decide (once it's apparent their kids can't get into the same schools they did), "those schools are so OVER"

meanwhile, those grads are more diverse than ever, more on FA, less privileged, have more work experience coming into college than a generation before, and (pre this TO blip) scored higher on every metric.

plenty of us thought the Yalies (etc) from the class of 1995 were arrogant blowhards. but these kids? I'd take them every day over the previous model of an Ivy League grad

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