Hebrew Catholics

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

You can’t be both Catholic and Jewish.

You can be Catholic by faith and Jewish by ethnic background. Here are some Jewish converts to Catholics explaining that in their own words: https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/

But how can a Jew who has joined the Catholic Church retain their religious identity?

Exactly, the pp you responded to makes no sense.

I’m the PP and I specifically was talking about the ethnic aspect, which makes perfect sense. The OP asked about numerous aspects of Jewishness, not just religious identity.

But a person who is ethnically Jewish, but has converted to Catholicism would have no reason to go to synagogue anymore, since attending synagogue is an expression of religious Judaism. That's why OP's question doesn't make sense. Jews can convert to Catholicism and retain their ethnic identity, but they can't retain their Jewish religious identity and be Catholic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

You can’t be both Catholic and Jewish.

You can be Catholic by faith and Jewish by ethnic background. Here are some Jewish converts to Catholics explaining that in their own words: https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/

But how can a Jew who has joined the Catholic Church retain their religious identity?

My father was Jewish and my mother is Catholic. I was raised with no religious faith. At 36, did RCIA and became a Catholic. I definitely retain a Jewish cultural and ethnic identify. Plus, I have a VERY Jewish name so everyone thinks I am Jewish in the first place.

[Anonymous]

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

[Anonymous]

OP, no one will take your love of bagels away from you, but you can't expect to eat them in the company of Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, no one will take your love of bagels away from you, but you can't expect to eat them in the company of Jews.

Why?
And which Jews (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, non-affiliated)?
Would you be okay eating a bagel with a Jewish atheist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is absurd
Jews are not jesus freaks.
Jews do not support a Pope who just said Ukraine should bow down and let Russia take them.
Jews do not support child sex abuse and keep the lawsuits going.
Jews do not have $25 Billion in the bank on the back of .......

Yeah OP you are dumb.

[Anonymous]

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^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

[Anonymous]

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^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

NP. And the tale of a prodigal son?

[Anonymous]

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^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

NP. And the tale of a prodigal son?

The Prodigal Son is a Christian story, not a Jewish one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to be Jewish? Is it an ethnicity, a culture, a religion, or all three? Can one be a Jewish atheist?

There is a difference between celebrating Hanukkah and other Jewish holidays and actively accepting traditional Jewish prayers that suggest the Messiah has not yet come.

I was raised by Jewish atheists.

[Anonymous]

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^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible."

Would it be fair to assume that you are Modern Orthodox? Would it be fair to assume that you have never read the New Testament?
Please provide examples. Keep in mind that the Septuagint Tanakh (translated by Jewish scholars in the 200 BCs) and the basis of the New Testament citations predates the Masoretic Tanakh (of which you may be referring) by about 1,000 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

NP. And the tale of a prodigal son?

Hahaha what.. oy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

You can’t be both Catholic and Jewish.

You can be Catholic by faith and Jewish by ethnic background. Here are some Jewish converts to Catholics explaining that in their own words: https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/

As in , a Catholic who makes matzo soup and bakes challah bread ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is absurd
Jews are not jesus freaks.
Jews do not support a Pope who just said Ukraine should bow down and let Russia take them.
Jews do not support child sex abuse and keep the lawsuits going.
Jews do not have $25 Billion in the bank on the back of .......

Yeah OP you are dumb.

You sound unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible."

Would it be fair to assume that you are Modern Orthodox? Would it be fair to assume that you have never read the New Testament?
Please provide examples. Keep in mind that the Septuagint Tanakh (translated by Jewish scholars in the 200 BCs) and the basis of the New Testament citations predates the Masoretic Tanakh (of which you may be referring) by about 1,000 years.

DP Jewish (I've been both Reform and Conservative). I have read the New Testament.

The most blatant example of a Christian mistranslation (or perhaps just a misunderstanding) is the whole "virgin" thing. The Hebrew means more like "young girl," not an allusion to a virgin birth.

There are more translations that Christians use to read Jesus into the Old Testament, like translating a Hebrew word with connotations of "digging" to mean "piercing" or reading prophets who were talking metaphorically about themselves in the third person to be talking about the future Jesus.

Plus, there's a whole way that Jews understand the Tanakh through our history, through midrash (Oral Torah), through our other texts (like Mishnah and Talmud), and through centuries of teshuvot (responsa or rulings on various issues). Reading it without those contextual pieces makes the reading of it incomplete from a Jewish perspective.

All of this is to say that it doesn't make sense to be Catholic and to engage religiously with Judaism. We technically read the same texts, but don't fundamentally don't read them the same way. If OP wanted to find a way to continue celebrating Purim or Passover by throwing a Purim party or hosting a Catholic seder (problematic, but that's a different conversation) as cultural things, then sure. But she's talking about going to synagogue. There is nothing cultural or ethnic about synagogue. That's where religious Judaism happens, and she rejected being religiously Jewish by becoming Catholic.

To echo PP, I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for y'all to grasp.