Hebrew Catholics

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

You can’t be both Catholic and Jewish.

You can be Catholic by faith and Jewish by ethnic background. Here are some Jewish converts to Catholics explaining that in their own words: https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/

Alright, I clicked on your link. None of the short summaries highlighted there suggest that these people are still actively religiously Jewish, which is what's at issue here. Is there any particular story that you would like to point the class toward in your link that you think is relevant to the discussion of attending both Catholic Mass and synagogue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible."

Would it be fair to assume that you are Modern Orthodox? Would it be fair to assume that you have never read the New Testament?
Please provide examples. Keep in mind that the Septuagint Tanakh (translated by Jewish scholars in the 200 BCs) and the basis of the New Testament citations predates the Masoretic Tanakh (of which you may be referring) by about 1,000 years.

The Septuagint has been corrupted by Christians, hence why Jews no longer use or accept it.

A few examples of mistranslations you asked for -

Isaiah 7
Isaiah 8
Isaiah 9
Isaiah 53
Psalm 22
Psalm 110

Pick up a Tanakh and you'll literally see the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible."

Would it be fair to assume that you are Modern Orthodox? Would it be fair to assume that you have never read the New Testament?
Please provide examples. Keep in mind that the Septuagint Tanakh (translated by Jewish scholars in the 200 BCs) and the basis of the New Testament citations predates the Masoretic Tanakh (of which you may be referring) by about 1,000 years.

The Septuagint has been corrupted by Christians, hence why Jews no longer use or accept it.

A few examples of mistranslations you asked for -

Isaiah 7
Isaiah 8
Isaiah 9
Isaiah 53
Psalm 22
Psalm 110

Pick up a Tanakh and you'll literally see the difference.

No. Quite the opposite. But the fears of the Pharisees that led to modern Rabbinic Judaism and the corrupt Tanakh were reasonable: the prophecies are clearly fulfilled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

Jews do not believe in Christ Jesus period.

This thread is just dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

What on Earth are you on about???

The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible..

And there are definitely plenty of Jews who think the Lubavitchers are on the edge of or fully on idolatry with their Rebbe beliefs. No other Jewish denomination shares that belief.

You cannot expect "mainstream" Jews to accept a by birth Jew (or even convert) who has religiously walked away from the Jewish faith to be bumping elbows at Shabbat services.

And why would the OP even want to continue to be involved with *religious* Jewish life given they have rejected it??

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

"The Christian bible repeatedly and deliberately mistranslates the Hebrew in the Tanakh for the purposes of getting people to join Christianity. Jews do not believe in the Christian bible."

Would it be fair to assume that you are Modern Orthodox? Would it be fair to assume that you have never read the New Testament?
Please provide examples. Keep in mind that the Septuagint Tanakh (translated by Jewish scholars in the 200 BCs) and the basis of the New Testament citations predates the Masoretic Tanakh (of which you may be referring) by about 1,000 years.

The Septuagint has been corrupted by Christians, hence why Jews no longer use or accept it.

A few examples of mistranslations you asked for -

Isaiah 7
Isaiah 8
Isaiah 9
Isaiah 53
Psalm 22
Psalm 110

Pick up a Tanakh and you'll literally see the difference.

No. Quite the opposite. But the fears of the Pharisees that led to modern Rabbinic Judaism and the corrupt Tanakh were reasonable: the prophecies are clearly fulfilled.

Umm.. what prophecies are you pontificating about??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

Jews do not believe in Christ Jesus period.

This thread is just dumb.

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OP, I think it's clear 4 pages into your thread that the answer is no, people don't go to mass and synagogue. If you were Jewish and became Catholic, you just go to mass now.

[Anonymous]

What does a messianic Jewish church have in common with a Jewish synagogue and a catholic church? Does it blend the two?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does a messianic Jewish church have in common with a Jewish synagogue and a catholic church? Does it blend the two?

A Messianic Church is a church that has some Jewish elements, like wearing tallit or saying some prayers in Hebrew. Some of the members there were raised Jewish and converted to Christianity, while others are Christians who want to worship "more like Jesus did."

Make no mistake, there is no denomination of Judaism that recognizes Messianics as Jewish. It has a history of proselytizing to Jews and misrepresenting themselves to Jewish communities before starting to spout on about "Yeshua," which is super offensive. But some of the members there might be ethnically Jewish converts to Christianity, which seems to be what OP is looking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does a messianic Jewish church have in common with a Jewish synagogue and a catholic church? Does it blend the two?

It has little in common with either one. A messianic congregation is a Christian church of no particular denomination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

You sound like a Jew for Jesus seeking to convince Jewish people participating in this thread that they should see that Jesus is no big deal from a Jewish POV, because the New Testament fulfills the prophesies in the Old Testament, and why can't they see that?

It's obnoxious and inappropriate for this forum. Cut it out.

[Anonymous]

I'm still waiting for this person to go on about all the prophecies.

JC didn't bring about peace among the nations. He specifically said he will bring the sword and will turn family members against each other.

Don't know about this other person, but that doesn't sound like peace to me. You know, which is exactly what the messiah will do.

The problem with almost all Christians is that they read the "New Testament" first, then, if they even bother to read the Tanakh, they fit JC into every prophecy and give themselves confirmation bias.

If you want to read a book, you don't start in the middle. It ain't rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

You sound like a Jew for Jesus seeking to convince Jewish people participating in this thread that they should see that Jesus is no big deal from a Jewish POV, because the New Testament fulfills the prophesies in the Old Testament, and why can't they see that?

It's obnoxious and inappropriate for this forum. Cut it out.

I'd say it is entirely on brand for this forum to exist as an active outpost for Jews for Jesus edgelords who believe they can recruit DCUM's many minimally affiliated Jews.

First of all DCUM has hardly proven itself a force for good. Exhibit A: that politics forum thread that basically exists as a permanent place to spread conspiracy theories about Jews when every other racist or conspiratorial thread about any other community gets locked or deleted.

Second, in the religion forum in particular we DC Jewish respondents as a group seem to be very ripe targets for this brand of extreme assimilation. How many times do people here claim they're Jewish but they never heard of x r y fundamental Jewish religious or cultural concept and furthermore they really don't care? Even worse, it is often "my Jewish husband" or in-laws who don't know or care.

Let's face it, much of DC's Jewish community has already lost its way. Our local Jews for Jesus evangelist is simply proposing to step into the breach with his or her weird-ass brand of bagels/stigmata mashup. I deeply resent him or her for this profound insult, but the truth is, so many of us are too far gone already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

You sound like a Jew for Jesus seeking to convince Jewish people participating in this thread that they should see that Jesus is no big deal from a Jewish POV, because the New Testament fulfills the prophesies in the Old Testament, and why can't they see that?

It's obnoxious and inappropriate for this forum. Cut it out.

I'd say it is entirely on brand for this forum to exist as an active outpost for Jews for Jesus edgelords who believe they can recruit DCUM's many minimally affiliated Jews.

First of all DCUM has hardly proven itself a force for good. Exhibit A: that politics forum thread that basically exists as a permanent place to spread conspiracy theories about Jews when every other racist or conspiratorial thread about any other community gets locked or deleted.

Second, in the religion forum in particular we DC Jewish respondents as a group seem to be very ripe targets for this brand of extreme assimilation. How many times do people here claim they're Jewish but they never heard of x r y fundamental Jewish religious or cultural concept and furthermore they really don't care? Even worse, it is often "my Jewish husband" or in-laws who don't know or care.

Let's face it, much of DC's Jewish community has already lost its way. Our local Jews for Jesus evangelist is simply proposing to step into the breach with his or her weird-ass brand of bagels/stigmata mashup. I deeply resent him or her for this profound insult, but the truth is, so many of us are too far gone already.

Jewish evangelism in Jerusalem is insane, especially post 07 Oct.. manipulative evil people convincing vulnerable Jews that 07 Oct happened because they're Jewish. It's sick. And it's infuriating.

Jews are not part of their stupid rapture sh!t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

You sound like a Jew for Jesus seeking to convince Jewish people participating in this thread that they should see that Jesus is no big deal from a Jewish POV, because the New Testament fulfills the prophesies in the Old Testament, and why can't they see that?

It's obnoxious and inappropriate for this forum. Cut it out.

I'd say it is entirely on brand for this forum to exist as an active outpost for Jews for Jesus edgelords who believe they can recruit DCUM's many minimally affiliated Jews.

First of all DCUM has hardly proven itself a force for good. Exhibit A: that politics forum thread that basically exists as a permanent place to spread conspiracy theories about Jews when every other racist or conspiratorial thread about any other community gets locked or deleted.

Second, in the religion forum in particular we DC Jewish respondents as a group seem to be very ripe targets for this brand of extreme assimilation. How many times do people here claim they're Jewish but they never heard of x r y fundamental Jewish religious or cultural concept and furthermore they really don't care? Even worse, it is often "my Jewish husband" or in-laws who don't know or care.

Let's face it, much of DC's Jewish community has already lost its way. Our local Jews for Jesus evangelist is simply proposing to step into the breach with his or her weird-ass brand of bagels/stigmata mashup. I deeply resent him or her for this profound insult, but the truth is, so many of us are too far gone already.

Jewish evangelism in Jerusalem is insane, especially post 07 Oct.. manipulative evil people convincing vulnerable Jews that 07 Oct happened because they're Jewish. It's sick. And it's infuriating.

Jews are not part of their stupid rapture sh!t.

The rapture stuff is an outlier in historical Christianity, too, and only arose in the last 150 years or so. Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, and the rest of the historical Protestant denominations are not down with it at all.

But U.S. policy is based more on the nondenominational megachurch Baptisty stuff, so yeah, the rapture stuff gets a lot of air time.

But to be clear: the rapture ("left behind") stuff was unheard of for the first 1850 years of the church and is still a small minority view within Christianity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

The last sentence is spot on. What is it about accepting Christian beliefs? The Jewish context of the New Testament is apparent to anyone who reads it, so, if anything, you would think ethnic/cultural Jews who profess Christian beliefs would be accepted by Jews perhaps in a similar way to Jews who assert the Chabad Rebbe is the Messiah are not shunned.

St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross (Edith Stein) was a Jewish nun who was arrested specifically because she was Jewish and killed by the Nazis, along with other Jewish Catholics. While she may not have taken a traditional contemporary Jewish path, she was no less Jewish.

Are there ethnic, cultural Jews who are baptized Catholics who attend mass, but also periodically attend Reform congregations (or other Jewish denominations), perhaps for a Purim celebration or Shabbat?

You sound like a Jew for Jesus seeking to convince Jewish people participating in this thread that they should see that Jesus is no big deal from a Jewish POV, because the New Testament fulfills the prophesies in the Old Testament, and why can't they see that?

It's obnoxious and inappropriate for this forum. Cut it out.

I'd say it is entirely on brand for this forum to exist as an active outpost for Jews for Jesus edgelords who believe they can recruit DCUM's many minimally affiliated Jews.

First of all DCUM has hardly proven itself a force for good. Exhibit A: that politics forum thread that basically exists as a permanent place to spread conspiracy theories about Jews when every other racist or conspiratorial thread about any other community gets locked or deleted.

Second, in the religion forum in particular we DC Jewish respondents as a group seem to be very ripe targets for this brand of extreme assimilation. How many times do people here claim they're Jewish but they never heard of x r y fundamental Jewish religious or cultural concept and furthermore they really don't care? Even worse, it is often "my Jewish husband" or in-laws who don't know or care.

Let's face it, much of DC's Jewish community has already lost its way. Our local Jews for Jesus evangelist is simply proposing to step into the breach with his or her weird-ass brand of bagels/stigmata mashup. I deeply resent him or her for this profound insult, but the truth is, so many of us are too far gone already.

Jewish evangelism in Jerusalem is insane, especially post 07 Oct.. manipulative evil people convincing vulnerable Jews that 07 Oct happened because they're Jewish. It's sick. And it's infuriating.

Jews are not part of their stupid rapture sh!t.

The rapture stuff is an outlier in historical Christianity, too, and only arose in the last 150 years or so. Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, and the rest of the historical Protestant denominations are not down with it at all.

But U.S. policy is based more on the nondenominational megachurch Baptisty stuff, so yeah, the rapture stuff gets a lot of air time.

But to be clear: the rapture ("left behind") stuff was unheard of for the first 1850 years of the church and is still a small minority view within Christianity.

Correct, it's the evangelicals doing all of the proselytizing and harassing.

The whole "fulfilled Jew" is such garbage.