AAP chances with good test scores, bad HOPE/GBRS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can I know my kid HOPE marks??

Your AART can give you a copy of your child's application package assembled by the school. The package is sent to the selection committee as PDF digital file, and your copy will be a print out.

[Anonymous]

Will the schools tell us when the packets have been sent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

If they go this way, it's not a horrible approach. If we're assuming that the selection process is rational (it isn't), then it would make sense to use the "social scale" to boost children into AAP who don't otherwise have the test scores and academic scale scores needed to succeed in the program. The social scale shouldn't be used to keep kids out of the program who have 150+ CogAT and 99th percentile iready. On the academic side, the scale is pretty inherently flawed if it allows a teacher to rate a kid as anything other than the top rating when the kid is objectively above grade level has both aptitude and achievement scores in the 99th percentile. The teacher's feelings should not be given more weight than the actual data.

The problem with GBRS and HOPE ratings is that most 2nd grade teachers don't really understand higher levels of giftedness and the negative behaviors that would be expected for highly gifted children bored out of their minds in a 2nd grade classroom. A typical FCPS 2nd grade teacher would have a few mildly gifted kids each year and maybe 1 moderately gifted kid. If you're looking at kids in the 99.9th percentile and higher, the average teacher would need to teach 40 years to even see one of those kids. When they do see them, they don't even understand what they're seeing and would likely focus on the negative behaviors. For a typical 2nd grade teacher, the kids they will identify as the most gifted are the kids who are bright but also have very high executive function and good social skills.

This. 100 percent. It would be ridiculous not to admit this child. OP, I think it is likely that they will because his score is so high. My youngest's score was 140 and had mediocre GBRS scores and did not get in with a high WISC on appeal. That was a couple of year's ago, though. Maybe they care about the WISC again?

[Anonymous]

I requested the packet by email and the AART emailed me back a PDF a couple hours later.

I'm not sure what is considered a "good score" since it's new, but my child had 3 always, 6 almost always, 2 often to give a datapoint. COGAT/Iready are borderline though, so sounds like maybe the opposite situation from OP- good luck OP.

[Anonymous]

I don't know what is a good data point either, so adding here to see if it's possible to crowd source. My child had 3 always and 8 almost always. COGAT and NNAT were pretty high whereas Iready was middling.

[Anonymous]

Any other HOPE results that folks can report? Trying to get a sense of what is a competitive HOPE results. For the old GBRS, it seemed like one needed a mix of CO (consistently observed) and FO (frequently observed) to get into AAP. I would speculate that that is not the case of HOPE because of the 6-point scale.

[Anonymous]

Disappointed by the HOPE rating. Similar situation as the OP, great test scores but a very bad HOPE rating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hello folks. My DC has great test scores (150+ Cogat VQN, 99% IReady, mostly 4's in report card), but really really bad HOPE ratings (a few lowest marks). What are AAP chances? Most likely a no? Since the ratings are so subjective, super bummed at the moment.

m



Did your child get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hello folks. My DC has great test scores (150+ Cogat VQN, 99% IReady, mostly 4's in report card), but really really bad HOPE ratings (a few lowest marks). What are AAP chances? Most likely a no? Since the ratings are so subjective, super bummed at the moment.

m



Did your child get in?

Not OP, but my child got in with 1 never, 5 rarely, 3 sometimes and 2 often, that's all, no always or almost always. Cogat 144 and iready 90+%.

[Anonymous]

got in with 4 nevers

[Anonymous]

My child was Rejected with > 140Cogat/NNAT and Ireadys 90%/99% and mostly 4s on report cards.
HOPE was 4 oftens, 5 sometimes and 2 rarely.

Only exceptional talent was reading.
Not super competitive school pyramid