AAP chances with good test scores, bad HOPE/GBRS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

So, you are counting Never as 0 and Always as 5?
My DD has 18 on social, and 28 on academic.
137 WISC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

I've looked at the HOPE scale before, but putting all the "social" items together really emphasizes what a load of baloney it is. I'm all for kids looking out for each other, but this is not really a gifted trait, nor is concern for humanity. Just not integral to giftedness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

So, you are counting Never as 0 and Always as 5?
My DD has 18 on social, and 28 on academic.
137 WISC.

From the linked pdf, ther counted never as 1 and always as 6. So your DD would have 24 on social, and 34 on academic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

So, you are counting Never as 0 and Always as 5?
My DD has 18 on social, and 28 on academic.
137 WISC.

Good catch. I probably would not have made it into AAP decades ago!



From the linked pdf, ther counted never as 1 and always as 6. So your DD would have 24 on social, and 34 on academic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This pdf shows another school district calculates HOPE scores. Not sure if this is what FCPS central committee does, but it is another way to look at it.

https://www.harlan.k12.ky.us/pdf/Gifted&TalentedForms/HopeScaleDirections.pdf

They add subtotals for Academic and social scale separately and don't combine them.

According to this, my child had 18 on academic scale and 10 on social scale. I don't agree with my child's HOPE rating but would like to see how other kids are scored.

I've looked at the HOPE scale before, but putting all the "social" items together really emphasizes what a load of baloney it is. I'm all for kids looking out for each other, but this is not really a gifted trait, nor is concern for humanity. Just not integral to giftedness.

These social pieces do not make sense in the context of evaluating for advanced academic instruction. I also dislike the leader piece in that column and feel like plenty of gifted kids won’t present as leaders in K-2 too as being gifted academically often means being less adept socially.

[Anonymous]

They’re not adding them up with numerical values like this. Again, a kid found eligible is not expected to score at/the top for every one of these attributes.

The purpose of HOPE is to add information to the test scores, report cards, and work samples. It’s one additional source of insight, viewed holistically.

I know you all reeeeeeally want there to be a magic number. There’s just not.

[Anonymous]

Where are people getting their children's HOPE scores?

[Anonymous]

Is this the HOPE rating y'all are talking about? https://asset.routledge.com/rt-files/GGeorgi/HOPE+Scale+Sample.pdf?_ga=234891444.1708918983&_gl=1*u2fh11*_ga*MjM0ODkxNDQ0LjE3MDg5MTg5ODM.*_ga_0HYE8YG0M6*MTcwODkxODk4My4xLjAuMTcwODkxODk4My4wLjAuMA..

[Anonymous]

https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

Ask your student’s AART for what was submitted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are you all seeing your kids' HOPE ratings? I thought they didn't give out packages until after decisions are made?

You can request them from the AART after the packet has been sent to the central committee. My son’s packet came home Friday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the HOPE rating y'all are talking about? https://asset.routledge.com/rt-files/GGeorgi/HOPE+Scale+Sample.pdf?_ga=234891444.1708918983&_gl=1*u2fh11*_ga*MjM0ODkxNDQ0LjE3MDg5MTg5ODM.*_ga_0HYE8YG0M6*MTcwODkxODk4My4xLjAuMTcwODkxODk4My4wLjAuMA..

Yes, FCPS link is here

https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2023-10/hoperatingscale.pdf

[Anonymous]

Back in 2020 when they did the study a good GBRS boosted a kid over a kid with the same test scores by 50%. But very, very few kids have OP's kids' test score. If the rest of the packet is good, I would think that the usual weight given to HOPE would be diminished here.

OP did you do the parent referral and parent questionnaire? Did you make sure to include specific, detailed examples that matched HOPE/GBRS traits in your answers? If not, include that with your appeal. Sure they don't count parent stories as much as teacher ones, but according to our AART it still helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back in 2020 when they did the study a good GBRS boosted a kid over a kid with the same test scores by 50%. But very, very few kids have OP's kids' test score. If the rest of the packet is good, I would think that the usual weight given to HOPE would be diminished here.

OP did you do the parent referral and parent questionnaire? Did you make sure to include specific, detailed examples that matched HOPE/GBRS traits in your answers? If not, include that with your appeal. Sure they don't count parent stories as much as teacher ones, but according to our AART it still helps.

That's how it *should* work, but no one knows how it actually works. It's surprising to me that any kid with 99th percentile scores in both ability tests and achievement tests would be rejected from AAP, yet it seems to happen every single year.

[Anonymous]

How can I know my kid HOPE marks??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back in 2020 when they did the study a good GBRS boosted a kid over a kid with the same test scores by 50%. But very, very few kids have OP's kids' test score. If the rest of the packet is good, I would think that the usual weight given to HOPE would be diminished here.

OP did you do the parent referral and parent questionnaire? Did you make sure to include specific, detailed examples that matched HOPE/GBRS traits in your answers? If not, include that with your appeal. Sure they don't count parent stories as much as teacher ones, but according to our AART it still helps.

That's how it *should* work, but no one knows how it actually works. It's surprising to me that any kid with 99th percentile scores in both ability tests and achievement tests would be rejected from AAP, yet it seems to happen every single year.

Exactly. I can see HOPE boosting/sinking some kid on the margin (75th-85th percentile), but the kids who score in the 99th percentile should not have their AAP eligibility undermined by a subjective index, a large part of which is non-academic to begin with. No matter what people say about prepped/not prepped, above a certain level should be a shoe-in.