Premature Adenarche/Puberty

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP, I would be scared too. How tall are you/your husband? If you are short/average it’s possible your DD will stop growing sooner than most girls her age. She is 95% at 8 so she is probably as tall as a 10 year old….

Also, there is a girl in my DD(10)’s class who already has her period (while my DD has not started puberty yet). This girl is also a full head taller than most girls in her class (including my DD).

It’s no longer unusual for 10 year olds to have their periods

I got mine at 10 ( currently 39) and did stop growing in 6th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread gets started once a week. Breast buds at 8 and periods at 10 aren't a sign of something terrible. Got that?

About 10 years ago I spent several summers as a camp counselor at a camp for kids from a large East Coast city who were predominantly black. Many of the girls had periods at 10. We did have one girl get her first period at age 8 at camp and she was really upset about it, but it was mostly because she hadn’t learned about menstruation yet. The kids are developing earlier and earlier. Many of the girls at 12 and 13 were fully physically developed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

[Anonymous]

They say the population is getting shorter because of the earlier menstruation. I’m shorter than my mom. My DD is shorter than me. No other health concerns. Spouses of average or above average height. Mother grew up in poverty. Something is going on.

Not much to do about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

Thanks. She’s in second grade and is jumping in the growth charts too, plus is having mood swings and other signs of hormones rising, not just the buds.

The moods and emotions are one thing that doesn’t get discussed much in these conversations. She’s having big, adult feelings that she is not developmentally ready for. They scare and confuse her. She feels out of control and then overwhelmed with guilt (sobbing those big from the gut sobs) when she’s being mean to us and can’t stop herself. As a woman with a uterus, I TOTALLY get it, but she just doesn’t and it’s really hard.

If she ends up losing 5 inches in her adult height, she’ll be fine. It’s getting through the next few years when she’s getting more and more aware of how different she is that worries me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

Thanks. She’s in second grade and is jumping in the growth charts too, plus is having mood swings and other signs of hormones rising, not just the buds.

The moods and emotions are one thing that doesn’t get discussed much in these conversations. She’s having big, adult feelings that she is not developmentally ready for. They scare and confuse her. She feels out of control and then overwhelmed with guilt (sobbing those big from the gut sobs) when she’s being mean to us and can’t stop herself. As a woman with a uterus, I TOTALLY get it, but she just doesn’t and it’s really hard.

If she ends up losing 5 inches in her adult height, she’ll be fine. It’s getting through the next few years when she’s getting more and more aware of how different she is that worries me.

If she will be 5 5 giving her anything is definitely not to be considered, as I said blockers also block TRH--read up on that and IQ development.

I am the poster whos daughters developed early, I mean unless your kid goes to a school with severe misfits NO one will treat her differently because of having boobs early--personal experince here with THREE daughters.

Yes-being a tall women 5 7 or 5 8 can give you "elegance" but we need to get over that and watch out for our kids health-the known and unknown risks are too high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

Thanks. She’s in second grade and is jumping in the growth charts too, plus is having mood swings and other signs of hormones rising, not just the buds.

The moods and emotions are one thing that doesn’t get discussed much in these conversations. She’s having big, adult feelings that she is not developmentally ready for. They scare and confuse her. She feels out of control and then overwhelmed with guilt (sobbing those big from the gut sobs) when she’s being mean to us and can’t stop herself. As a woman with a uterus, I TOTALLY get it, but she just doesn’t and it’s really hard.

If she ends up losing 5 inches in her adult height, she’ll be fine. It’s getting through the next few years when she’s getting more and more aware of how different she is that worries me.

If she will be 5 5 giving her anything is definitely not to be considered, as I said blockers also block TRH--read up on that and IQ development.

I am the poster whos daughters developed early, I mean unless your kid goes to a school with severe misfits NO one will treat her differently because of having boobs early--personal experience here with THREE daughters.

Yes-being a tall women 5 7 or 5 8 can give you "elegance" but we need to get over that and watch out for our kids health-the known and unknown risks are too high.

PS mood swings -mine didnt really have them however if that is an issue try therapy for her, she will learn coping skills ahead of time and be in such a better place in middle school than other girls.

[Anonymous]

My DD was the same, pubic hair around age 7-8, no other signs of puberty. She did not get her period until age 13, and is now 5’9” at age 15 (tall parents)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

Thanks. She’s in second grade and is jumping in the growth charts too, plus is having mood swings and other signs of hormones rising, not just the buds.

The moods and emotions are one thing that doesn’t get discussed much in these conversations. She’s having big, adult feelings that she is not developmentally ready for. They scare and confuse her. She feels out of control and then overwhelmed with guilt (sobbing those big from the gut sobs) when she’s being mean to us and can’t stop herself. As a woman with a uterus, I TOTALLY get it, but she just doesn’t and it’s really hard.

If she ends up losing 5 inches in her adult height, she’ll be fine. It’s getting through the next few years when she’s getting more and more aware of how different she is that worries me.

That’s too much for a 7 year old to deal with. At 8 years old she stopped wearing tank tops because a boy made fun of her for having hair under her arms. She was too young to remember to shave under her arms.

The hormone blockers put her on target with her peers. Good luck with the endocrinologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re going through this with my newly 8 year old now too. Breast buds starting, and waiting results on a bone age test. Her ped checked her chest, then immediately ordered the test, no “it’s normal now” talk. My hope is that her bone age is close to normal and she has three more years of growth and maturing before she gets her period. If results are less reassuring, we’ll look into causes (thyroid, cysts, etc), but likely wouldn’t treat with puberty blockers. But we’ll see what the tests say.

And when you do a bone age test, they’ll tell you what their expected height should be and what it is likely to be based on how advanced it is. Mine is supposed to be around 5’9” according to the formula my ped used, but I think she loses at least an inch or two for every year her bone age is advanced. Which hopefully still puts her well in the median range.

And yes, it’s really hard to imagine my 97th percentile kid ending up shorter than me. And really really hard to imagine my baby developing already and potentially getting her period in third grade. But I’m trying not to put the cart before the horse or go down a worry spiral. We’ll deal with what comes when it comes.

Mine had the bone age X-ray. Anything give or take a year is normal.

The reason we did hormone blockers is the endocrinologist said you don’t want your third grader having a period or breasts. She said that she would be treated as if she was older. She also would not reach her full height if we didn’t block the period.

She’s 12 now, off the blockers and has been developing normally. 5’2” with no period so far.

If your child is in 3rd grade right now she probably wouldn’t get her period until 5th or 6th.
They also watch for any growth spurts early on. That might indicate puberty.

I don’t know what her adult height will be but she’s 5’2” now which is fine even if she didn’t grow anymore. If we didn’t block hormones she probably would have been under 5’

Thanks. She’s in second grade and is jumping in the growth charts too, plus is having mood swings and other signs of hormones rising, not just the buds.

The moods and emotions are one thing that doesn’t get discussed much in these conversations. She’s having big, adult feelings that she is not developmentally ready for. They scare and confuse her. She feels out of control and then overwhelmed with guilt (sobbing those big from the gut sobs) when she’s being mean to us and can’t stop herself. As a woman with a uterus, I TOTALLY get it, but she just doesn’t and it’s really hard.

If she ends up losing 5 inches in her adult height, she’ll be fine. It’s getting through the next few years when she’s getting more and more aware of how different she is that worries me.

If she will be 5 5 giving her anything is definitely not to be considered, as I said blockers also block TRH--read up on that and IQ development.

I am the poster whos daughters developed early, I mean unless your kid goes to a school with severe misfits NO one will treat her differently because of having boobs early--personal experince here with THREE daughters.

Yes-being a tall women 5 7 or 5 8 can give you "elegance" but we need to get over that and watch out for our kids health-the known and unknown risks are too high.

Unrelated but it’s the body type that gives you “elegance”, not height. If you’re 5’10” with big hips fat arms massive waistline you will not be elegant.

Luckily for you no one harassed your daughters for early development. Some girls aren’t so lucky.

My oldest had a friend who was just beautiful in sixth grade, thin and large breasts. She was harassed. I remember dropping her off one day and she skipped into the house. It was easy to forget her age until she did something age appropriate like skipping.

[Anonymous]

I’m the pp but I wanted to make this about the IQ thing and other side effects.

There’s a big difference between hormone blockers used by gender affirming kids and for delayed puberty.

The bone issues can start if you are taking the hormones after the age of 12. Gender affirming hormones are given starting around age 12 and are long term.

Puberty blockers are stopped before age 12 and are only used for a short time.

The IQ testing was done on transgender kids not early puberty hormone users. If a child is suicidal because he feels like he’s in the wrong body then five points on an IQ test means nothing.

Puberty hormone blockers are stopped between 10 and 12 and have no lasting side effects.

They’ll be a lot of negative attention coming out about hormone suppression in teens because it’s a political hot topic. Puberty blockers have been around for a long time with no issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the pp but I wanted to make this about the IQ thing and other side effects.

There’s a big difference between hormone blockers used by gender affirming kids and for delayed puberty.

The bone issues can start if you are taking the hormones after the age of 12. Gender affirming hormones are given starting around age 12 and are long term.

Puberty blockers are stopped before age 12 and are only used for a short time.

The IQ testing was done on transgender kids not early puberty hormone users. If a child is suicidal because he feels like he’s in the wrong body then five points on an IQ test means nothing.

Puberty hormone blockers are stopped between 10 and 12 and have no lasting side effects.

They’ll be a lot of negative attention coming out about hormone suppression in teens because it’s a political hot topic. Puberty blockers have been around for a long time with no issues.

Thanks for this, PP. obviously we all need to do our own research, but it’s helpful to hear all perspectives on these difficult matters.

[Anonymous]

I asked my ped endo about IQ and he actually does RX these (and would if I asked)--he said yes IQ does slow increasing while on blockers but the thought is kids will catch up when they get off them...but Im not sure

[Anonymous]

If my kid was suicidal , then OK IQ drop of 5-10points better than potential suicide , but for a girl who will be over 5 feet to be 3-4 inches taller...I dont know.

Lupron is not to be played with unless the kid really needs it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I asked my ped endo about IQ and he actually does RX these (and would if I asked)--he said yes IQ does slow increasing while on blockers but the thought is kids will catch up when they get off them...but Im not sure

The bigger problem is the transgender kids who start them at a much older age, use additional hormone therapy and are on it for as long as they want to remain female or male.

I know when I was on hormone blockers for cancer my memory sucked. When I got off of them it slowly went back to normal.