Harvard Finds More Instances of ‘Duplicative Language’ in President’s Work - Still keeps her job????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is plagiarism. Why is she permitted to keep her job? If a student did this, they would meet major sanctions or be expelled.

Wow. I wonder why....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-finds-more-instances-duplicative-125711372.html

do you REALLY wonder why? It’s not exactly hard to figure out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

40 cases of plagiarism so far. One instance can get you kicked out as a baby undergrad. Nice try calling this a witch hunt and it is an insult to the women who suffered due to the Salem witch trials. They truly were innocent and they were killed. Nobody is hanging her. They just want to hold her to exact same standard everyone else has to follow.

+1. And if PP is so concerned that this happened on her dissertation when she was “in her 20s” - well- what the hell has she been doing since? Writing 10 more papers? That’s an assistant professor at best at most universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's just that her attackers are conservatives so they get showered with billionaires' money even though they're mediocrities.

She had to earn her job.

Except that she didn’t earn her job. If she had submitted an identical resume as anything other than a black woman, we would not be having this conversation because she never would have been hired.

[Anonymous]

Even third-rate public colleges would expect their president to show more integrity than this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our son was humiliated and kicked out of his Ivy for an academic year for *far* less on a random undergrad paper. The sanctimonious jerks got off on humiliating him and acted like his mistake was bloody murder. Yet they are letting this lifetime schemer slide? Animal Farm.

You don’t understand. This lifetime schemer was hired for characteristics that your son does not possess. Her hiring had nothing to do with academic qualifications, thus academic shortcomings are irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a political nothingburger.

The only "victim" who is allegedly upset is an anti-woke conservative.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/15/gay-corrections-plagiarism-allegations/

The impact of plagiarism is not measured by the personal feelings of the people plagiarized. Plagiarism exists independently of their feelings.

What is the impact?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our son was humiliated and kicked out of his Ivy for an academic year for *far* less on a random undergrad paper. The sanctimonious jerks got off on humiliating him and acted like his mistake was bloody murder. Yet they are letting this lifetime schemer slide? Animal Farm.

You don’t understand. This lifetime schemer was hired for characteristics that your son does not possess. Her hiring had nothing to do with academic qualifications, thus academic shortcomings are irrelevant.

WTH is a "schemer". You make yourself look crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

40 cases of plagiarism so far. One instance can get you kicked out as a baby undergrad. Nice try calling this a witch hunt and it is an insult to the women who suffered due to the Salem witch trials. They truly were innocent and they were killed. Nobody is hanging her. They just want to hold her to exact same standard everyone else has to follow.

+1. And if PP is so concerned that this happened on her dissertation when she was “in her 20s” - well- what the hell has she been doing since? Writing 10 more papers? That’s an assistant professor at best at most universities.

It's easier to advance in academia if you work in an unpopular under-studied field than a crowded one. That's free market principles at work. Same reason that any moron can get a job as Trump lawyer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's just that her attackers are conservatives so they get showered with billionaires' money even though they're mediocrities.

She had to earn her job.

She earned it the old fashioned way, she zeroxed it.

[Anonymous]

Has OP read any of Dr. Swain's or Dr. Gay's papers? I am asking because, if the quotation marks were all there, what would you think about their scholarship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a political nothingburger.

The only "victim" who is allegedly upset is an anti-woke conservative.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/15/gay-corrections-plagiarism-allegations/

The impact of plagiarism is not measured by the personal feelings of the people plagiarized. Plagiarism exists independently of their feelings.

What is the impact?

The impact is that it demonstrates that plagiarism is ok. If the PRESIDENT of HARVARD can do it, how is any other educator at any other level supposed to expect their students to be hesitant to do it?

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