Harvard Finds More Instances of ‘Duplicative Language’ in President’s Work - Still keeps her job????

[Anonymous]

Our son was humiliated and kicked out of his Ivy for an academic year for *far* less on a random undergrad paper. The sanctimonious jerks got off on humiliating him and acted like his mistake was bloody murder. Yet they are letting this lifetime schemer slide? Animal Farm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL

Everyone realizes that Chris Rufo career is the epitomization of affirmative action for conservatives, right?!?!

"Rufo was a visiting fellow for domestic policy studies at The Heritage Foundation and a Lincoln Fellow at the Claremont Institute.[16][6] Later, he was a research fellow at the Discovery Institute, a Christian think tank known for its opposition to the theory of evolution and advocacy for intelligent design to be taught in public schools..."

All billionaires' money, all paid to mediocre losers by rightwing donors because Rufo's morals are so low he'll say things that help billionaires.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. This president -- a black woman -- is orders of magnitude more impressive than her attackers.

Rufo being mediocre doesn’t erase Gay’s lack of publications or plagiarism. Rufo is mediocre, and Gay has barely published and plagiarized. Those are the facts.

[Anonymous]

I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

[Anonymous]

Some good points about college presidents being hired to be administrators, not on the basis of their academic prowess. Still, her record stacked up against her peer Ivy League presidents and predecessors does look light to say the least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

40 cases of plagiarism so far. One instance can get you kicked out as a baby undergrad. Nice try calling this a witch hunt and it is an insult to the women who suffered due to the Salem witch trials. They truly were innocent and they were killed. Nobody is hanging her. They just want to hold her to exact same standard everyone else has to follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crazy thing is she only has 11 publications - that’s assistant professor level!

This. The citations are sloppy and embarassing, especially because they hold students to a much higher standards. But it's mostly minor league stuff - paraphrasing cliches, not stealing ideas.

OTOH her publications track record is a crazy red flag. She got tenure with almost no publications and has done very little since. Harvard, Stanford, etc are famous for sending incredibly accomplished young scholars packing at tenure time. To put someone with such meager scholarship in the role of Harvard president is just ridiculous.

Couldn’t it be that the qualities that make a good college president are not the same as being a great academician? Just like being a huge rainmaker does not necessarily make one a good firm leader.

[Anonymous]

looks like Hamas has one more victim

[Anonymous]

Yeah not super unusual for college prez to have thin publishing record. Look at Wallace loh formerly at umd, Gordon gee formerly of brown Vanderbilt now wvu. They jump into admin early and focus there.

-prof

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

Well, I work in publishing. Maybe we take things a a little more seriously than academia. But when you're lifting entire paragraphs and presenting them as your own, your career is done.

Throw in the fact that her publication list is minimal. There's no there there. There is no brilliant academic career. There's no leadership of a major institution. She's clearly a DEI hire and has floated ever upward because she is a black woman. She's untouchable. She's had a very easy glide. That's not going to change. Harvard made its choices and they're going to have to live with consequences, which are mostly reputional. But that's a big deal for most schools.

[Anonymous]

Nonsense. This is driven by groups upset about academic freedom when it comes to the Israel-Palestine issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

But she was a professor like most Harvard presidents before her. That's how she rose into this job. She's not some random administrator/dean. So her scholarship and how she conducted it absolutely relevant to her current role.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m the first non-OP poster in this thread

That was a spot-on read.... OP is responding to herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I’m the first non-OP poster in this thread

That was a spot-on read.... OP is responding to herself.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a research scientist married to another research scientist, and neither of us plagiarized anything.

It's a dissertation, written in her 20s. It's not scientific cheating like she falsified original data, published it, and other scientists around the world wasted their time and money trying to replicate her findings. There are various degrees of wrongdoing you can perpetrate as a researcher/academic, and dubious copying and pasting stuff in a PhD dissertation is very low on that scale.

This very much feels like a witch-hunt because of what she said, or did not say, about the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and the fallout on her campus.

I would also like to explain that university Presidents are not brilliant researchers. Otherwise they would stay in their offices or labs, doing brilliant research! They are acceptable experts in their subject matter, but have better skills as administrators, and therefore are tapped for administrative jobs.

I am not overly concerned with these revelations. There have been absolutely jaw-dropping cases of cheating and ethics violations in academia, which were rightly sanctioned, but this one is not it. The worst that comes to mind is the Korean scientist who pressured females scientists on his team to donate their eggs to his research, while he claimed he had managed to clone a human embryo. Turned out his results were entirely fabricated.

Well, I work in publishing. Maybe we take things a a little more seriously than academia. But when you're lifting entire paragraphs and presenting them as your own, your career is done.

Throw in the fact that her publication list is minimal. There's no there there. There is no brilliant academic career. There's no leadership of a major institution. She's clearly a DEI hire and has floated ever upward because she is a black woman. She's untouchable. She's had a very easy glide. That's not going to change. Harvard made its choices and they're going to have to live with consequences, which are mostly reputional. But that's a big deal for most schools.

Whereas all the white guy presidents over the years got the job on merit because they were the best-qualified person for the position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our son was humiliated and kicked out of his Ivy for an academic year for *far* less on a random undergrad paper. The sanctimonious jerks got off on humiliating him and acted like his mistake was bloody murder. Yet they are letting this lifetime schemer slide? Animal Farm.

Did your DS get to return and graduate?