Why do people think Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union?

Anonymous
Because the minds of senile boomers on DCUM will never get beyond the late 20th century and that era’s ideas.
Anonymous
Why do people think Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union?

Because he has said as much on numerous occasions over the past 20 years.

Many articles about this from 2022.

From 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

2016: https://www.jstor.org/stable/43946855

2017: https://www.newsweek.com/putin-wants-rebuild-soviet-union-former-head-british-army-warns-714301

He was a KGB agent in East German and rued the day the USSR dissolved from the get go.

Anonymous
Putin's relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't sound like "reviving the Soviet Union" to me
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Putin's relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't sound like "reviving the Soviet Union" to me


Get out of here with this stuff! This discussion is designed to affirm the prejudices of DCUM. Your bringing up relevant facts is not cool to these people!
Anonymous
The DCUM consensus - hate Putin and say it a thousand times. Meanwhile, blow Xi. Because... party politics.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do people think saying Putin wants to restore the Russian Empire = condoning the invasion of Ukraine?


Because it was suggested in a way that minimizes Putin’s outrageous and aggressive agenda while portraying him as a traditional harmless Conservative. He is a ruthless dictator who brokers no dissent and a war criminal who spreads a lot of disinformation to justify his many aggressions, annexations of other peoples’ land and undermining of Western democracies while promoting far right extremism around the free world. It benefits his own authoritarian rule to weaken Western democracies.

Democracy is messy but the alternative of clinical dictatorships is far far worse.



The only way you can have this train of thought is if you believe that the Russian Empire was benign and a "harmless traditional conservative" regime. Is that what you're trying to say? I'm the one who noted-- accurately-- that Putin is not trying to rebuild the USSR but rather a Russian Empire in which Russia is the undisputed hegemon-- and I don't believe this is harmless. Although I acknowledge that I made no moral statements, just factual ones. It just didn't occur to me that leftists would think that the Russian Empire was benevolent.


See, your mistake was lack of moral outrage. Hence you must be a Putin troll!
Anonymous
The Soviet Union contained a Ukrainian republic. Putin thinks Ukraine is simply a part of Russia and Ukraine does not exist as an entity.

He longs for the Russian Empire.
Anonymous
n his de facto declaration of war, Putin stated that “modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia or, to be more precise, by Bolshevik, Communist Russia. This process started practically right after the 1917 revolution, and Lenin and his associates did it in a way that was extremely harsh on Russia—by separating, severing what is historically Russian land.” He developed that idea by stating: “Soviet Ukraine is the result of the Bolsheviks’ policy and can rightfully be called ‘Vladimir Lenin’s Ukraine.’ He was its creator and architect.”


He thinks Ukraine is an illegitimate entity created by the Bolsheviks.

https://huri.harvard.edu/news/serhii-plokhii-casus-belli-did-lenin-create-modern-ukraine

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Putin's relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't sound like "reviving the Soviet Union" to me

He exploited them for cynical political purposes … to gain a patina of moral credibility when he has none …
Anonymous
Who cares how to call it?
He wants to expand his geopolitical influence. It’s what every country does, just not by the same harsh means. His goals are not horrible; it’s the way he works to achieve them that is horrific.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin's relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't sound like "reviving the Soviet Union" to me

He exploited them for cynical political purposes … to gain a patina of moral credibility when he has none …


Not sure how this validates the "reviving the Soviet Union" argument.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Putin's relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't sound like "reviving the Soviet Union" to me

He exploited them for cynical political purposes … to gain a patina of moral credibility when he has none …


Not sure how this validates the "reviving the Soviet Union" argument.





https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Article-Display/Article/3511835/the-unexpected-theologian-the-rise-of-religious-messaging-in-putins-re-making-o/

The Unexpected Theologian: The Rise of Religious Messaging in Putin’s Re-making of Russian State Identity

Published Aug. 31, 2023
By Lt Col Dustin M. Hart and Dr. Robert S. Hinck

As war rages in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin’s reputation as the “most evil man in the world” continues to grow across the Western world.[1] Despite this critical international view, Putin has maintained a two-decade stranglehold on Russian power in part by projecting a spiritual persona reconnecting himself and Russian identity to the Orthodox Church. This spiritual resurgence may seem odd considering that, for nearly 75 years of communist rule, Christianity in the Soviet Union was violently repressed at the hands of the very same government Putin himself served and protected as an intelligence agent. However, upon closer examination, one can see that this religious revival serves a strategic purpose. That is, Putin’s usage of Orthodox Christian faith and its connection to Russian history acts as a central component of his domestic and international efforts to return Russia to glory by promoting domestic cohesion, justifying malign foreign policy actions, and generating cultural friction within and amongst his Western rivals.

The Return to Religion
Understanding Putin’s strategic use of religious narratives as an effective tool to influence Russian society today first requires consideration of the nation’s spiritual past. The connection between Christianity and Russian culture dates back to 988, when Vladimir, King of Rus, accepted Christianity and established itself as a Christian nation by baptizing a large number of people in modern day Ukraine.[2] This religious identity grew when, following the fall of the Byzantine Empire, Russia mythologized itself as the Third Rome. This granted Russian Czars greater spiritual and political legitimacy while also imbuing the nation with a holy destiny to redeem humanity through continuation of the Orthodox faith. …

Conclusion and Recommendations
As Russia continues to struggle on the battlefields of eastern Ukraine against an adversary primarily funded by the US and Western partners, Putin’s propaganda efforts will increase as he attempts to maintain public support and further drive cultural divides among his adversaries. Considering previous speeches, Putin will continue to turn to religious themes to drive these points home. With Russia’s foreign policy and battlefield exploits drawing ire from much of the liberal Western world, Putin will continue to use religious narratives to elevate his nation’s moral standing wherever possible while simultaneously attempting to discredit Western liberal values.  

While challenging, the US has several options for countering Putin’s religious propaganda. To best approach a counter strategy, the US should target the various aspects of the Russian disinformation chain, starting first with its leadership and then moving through the propaganda organs, amplification channels, and finally the consumers of the information.[17] First, there are ample opportunities for the US and Western partners to highlight the hypocrisy of Russian actions in comparison to Putin’s religious narratives. Repression of human rights within Russia, the sordid personal lives of senior leaders, and the government’s heinous foreign policy actions provide plenty of examples where the “Christian bastion” has fallen well outside most religious norms. The West has also made steady progress against Russian propaganda platforms as the European Union banned Russia Today in March 2022 and RT America shut down operations amidst US pressure soon after the 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

Finally, America’s most important defense against Putin’s propaganda likely rests within its own domestic audience. The US must focus on its own internal democratic strength to offset Putin’s agitative messaging. The most recent US National Security Strategy, released by the Biden administration in October 2022, highlighted the importance of a strong and diverse US democracy that accepts dissenting views as part of the democratic experiment.[18] Bolstering these democratic values and creating a more open environment for a free flow of ideas and discussion in the US and within other Western partners will not only help defend against Putin’s divisive rhetoric but also help return liberal democracy to a place of emulation around the world.
Putin is not the first and certainly won’t be the last leader to abuse religious faith as justification to conduct heinous actions. The US and Western partners must counter this latest example of religious appropriation to solidify Putin’s “evil” reputation before more of the world views the unexpected theologian as the “miracle defender of Christianity.”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As war rages in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin’s reputation as the “most evil man in the world” continues to grow across the Western world.[1] Despite this critical international view, Putin has maintained a two-decade stranglehold on Russian power in part by projecting a spiritual persona reconnecting himself and Russian identity to the Orthodox Church. This spiritual resurgence may seem odd considering that, for nearly 75 years of communist rule, Christianity in the Soviet Union was violently repressed at the hands of the very same government Putin himself served and protected as an intelligence agent. However, upon closer examination, one can see that this religious revival serves a strategic purpose. That is, Putin’s usage of Orthodox Christian faith and its connection to Russian history acts as a central component of his domestic and international efforts to return Russia to glory by promoting domestic cohesion, justifying malign foreign policy actions, and generating cultural friction within and amongst his Western rivals.



Exactly. "The connection to Russian" history before 1917.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As war rages in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin’s reputation as the “most evil man in the world” continues to grow across the Western world.[1] Despite this critical international view, Putin has maintained a two-decade stranglehold on Russian power in part by projecting a spiritual persona reconnecting himself and Russian identity to the Orthodox Church. This spiritual resurgence may seem odd considering that, for nearly 75 years of communist rule, Christianity in the Soviet Union was violently repressed at the hands of the very same government Putin himself served and protected as an intelligence agent. However, upon closer examination, one can see that this religious revival serves a strategic purpose. That is, Putin’s usage of Orthodox Christian faith and its connection to Russian history acts as a central component of his domestic and international efforts to return Russia to glory by promoting domestic cohesion, justifying malign foreign policy actions, and generating cultural friction within and amongst his Western rivals.



Exactly. "The connection to Russian" history before 1917.



Potatoes potahtoes

He is exploiting religion for cynical political purposes that have nothing to do with serving God and spiritual faith.

Putin is trying to shore up support at home as he continues to brainwash his people with state controlled messaging.

His agenda and methods are far from both traditional conservative and Christian values.
Anonymous
You don't think the absolutist rulers of Czarist Russia used religion for cynical political purposes?
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