7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:6th Grade AAP teacher here. I have students come back and state Math 7 Honors is too easy. I personally feel there should be four options.

Algebra 1
7Honors for kids who got 7th grade math in 6th so more extensions are possible.

7Honors for kids skipping 7th grade math

7Regular

There is a real push from the county to have more kids in at least one honors class and for all kids to take Algebra 1 in 8th.

Interesting considering majority of kids aren’t testing as proficient in grade level math as it is- only 26% of 8th graders tested proficient nationally last yr

Yes, I don’t see how they can expect all 8th graders to take Algebra 1. I know I’m old, but when I was in 8th grade Algebra 1 was the most advanced class available, and in my high school there were still juniors and seniors taking Algebra 1.

Different school systems do different things. The advanced math class was Algebra in 7th in my Boston suburb in the 1970’s. We also did two years of Algebra and then geometry, instead of putting the year of Geometry between the two Algebras.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

why do you say that? Or are you trying to be deliberately provocative?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6th Grade AAP teacher here. I have students come back and state Math 7 Honors is too easy. I personally feel there should be four options.

Algebra 1
7Honors for kids who got 7th grade math in 6th so more extensions are possible.

7Honors for kids skipping 7th grade math

7Regular

There is a real push from the county to have more kids in at least one honors class and for all kids to take Algebra 1 in 8th.

Interesting considering majority of kids aren’t testing as proficient in grade level math as it is- only 26% of 8th graders tested proficient nationally last yr

Yes, I don’t see how they can expect all 8th graders to take Algebra 1. I know I’m old, but when I was in 8th grade Algebra 1 was the most advanced class available, and in my high school there were still juniors and seniors taking Algebra 1.

There will still be kids in 9th and 10th grade taking Algebra 1. The effort is more directed at getting more URM into Algebra 1 in 8th grade. If you take a look at the Algebra 1 SOLs you will see that the majority of kids will have taken Algebra 1 by the end of 8th grade. The schools that have fewer kids in Algebra 1 by 8th grade are the schools that feed in from Title 1 schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.

DP. Name-calling doesn't help anything. Your DC may be doing fine in their classes but your DC is a different child than OP's DC. Should OP's DC be taking AP Calc (AB? BC?) in 10th grade? Not with that IAAT score. Without big changes, OP's DC seems to be in the correct placement. (And some ADHD kids hyperfocus but not all - and certainly not all on math.)

PP made the blanket statement that no child with ADHD should be in advanced math. Only an ableist idiot would make such a blanket statement. OP’s DD will be taking algebra in 8th, which is still accelerated and apparently verboten to PP.

Only an ablest cretin would use "idiot" as a slur like that.

[Anonymous]

Was the SOL score near 500 (Advanced) or near 600 (near Perfect)?

If it's 500, I'd stay on the current track and use the slack to go deeper with extracurricular deeper/broader math (see many many threads for free and paid resources).

If it's 600, I'd fight for transfer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.

DP. Name-calling doesn't help anything. Your DC may be doing fine in their classes but your DC is a different child than OP's DC. Should OP's DC be taking AP Calc (AB? BC?) in 10th grade? Not with that IAAT score. Without big changes, OP's DC seems to be in the correct placement. (And some ADHD kids hyperfocus but not all - and certainly not all on math.)

OP is trying to move their kid from Calc in 12th to Calc in 11th, not Calc on 10th.

[Anonymous]

Vote: Just stay put.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.

DP. Name-calling doesn't help anything. Your DC may be doing fine in their classes but your DC is a different child than OP's DC. Should OP's DC be taking AP Calc (AB? BC?) in 10th grade? Not with that IAAT score. Without big changes, OP's DC seems to be in the correct placement. (And some ADHD kids hyperfocus but not all - and certainly not all on math.)

OP is trying to move their kid from Calc in 12th to Calc in 11th, not Calc on 10th.

Yes she is. Still a bad idea. Leave well enough alone. Being successful in math is more important than being ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6th Grade AAP teacher here. I have students come back and state Math 7 Honors is too easy. I personally feel there should be four options.

Algebra 1
7Honors for kids who got 7th grade math in 6th so more extensions are possible.

7Honors for kids skipping 7th grade math

7Regular

There is a real push from the county to have more kids in at least one honors class and for all kids to take Algebra 1 in 8th.

Interesting considering majority of kids aren’t testing as proficient in grade level math as it is- only 26% of 8th graders tested proficient nationally last yr

Yes, I don’t see how they can expect all 8th graders to take Algebra 1. I know I’m old, but when I was in 8th grade Algebra 1 was the most advanced class available, and in my high school there were still juniors and seniors taking Algebra 1.

There will still be kids in 9th and 10th grade taking Algebra 1. The effort is more directed at getting more URM into Algebra 1 in 8th grade. If you take a look at the Algebra 1 SOLs you will see that the majority of kids will have taken Algebra 1 by the end of 8th grade. The schools that have fewer kids in Algebra 1 by 8th grade are the schools that feed in from Title 1 schools.

Yeah, and they aren’t proficient or even passing their current math classes in middle school. Title 1 schools have abysmal math proficiency rates.

[Anonymous]

I’m an algebra teacher.

It’s too late, OP. We have almost finished the first quarter. Everything that we do for the rest of the year (with the exception of factoring and exponent laws) is based on first quarter skills.

Students can move in the first 2-3 weeks and catch up okay, but after that it’s just way too much. I’m sorry, but this should have been brought up months ago, when you first got the diagnosis.

[Anonymous]

The IAAT is just one test. Anyone can have a bad day.

The incongruity between the lower IAAT and the higher SOL calls for a deeper investigation to get a mot precise measure of knowledge and ability.

IAAT 91%ile is scaled=170 raw=43/60 ~75% of these
IAAT 80%ile is scaled=163 raw=38/60 ~60% of these students get A or B on Algebra , according to IAAT.

https://your.acsi.org/IAAT

https://static.abeka.com/ABT/Resources/PDFs/AbtRiversideGuide.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anyone know if there is a way to take a class over the summer or test into Algebra 2? My DS just told me he wants to do the same move from Honors to AAP and I am concerned it's too late in the year to switch

[Anonymous]

OP, work backwards .. does your student need to be *beyond* calculus in high school. Do you really think that's a good idea? That is what you are setting your student up to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone know if there is a way to take a class over the summer or test into Algebra 2? My DS just told me he wants to do the same move from Honors to AAP and I am concerned it's too late in the year to switch

I am trying to understand where your child is. You do not test into Algebra 2, you have to complete Algebra 1. The path in FCPS is Algebra 1, Geometry, then Algebra 2. You might be able to take Algebra 1 and then Algebra 2, that is what I did in the 80's but I was an exception at my school and it was allowed because I had an IEP that focused on Math. They wanted me to take the Algebra classes back to back so I would retain more of Algebra 1 for Algebra 2 and I was not taking Honors.

Math in FCPS MS is not an AAP class, it is a seperate line. There is no moving from Honors into AAP Math. There is a process for taking Algebra 1 Honors in 7th grade but that starts in 6th grade. Kids have to pass advanced on the 7th grade SOL (taken in 6th) and score in the 91rst percentile or higher on the IAAT.

I doubt that your child would be able to move into Algebra 1 H if your child is in Math 7 Honors in MS. THey will have missed a full quarter of work in a high school class. If your child is in Algebra 1 H right now and wants to take Algebra 2 H next year they could take Geometry Honors over the summer, although most people recommend against that because it is a very condensed course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, work backwards .. does your student need to be *beyond* calculus in high school. Do you really think that's a good idea? That is what you are setting your student up to do.

I am not the OP but I have a 6th grader in Advanced Math right now. He loves math. He talks about math with his Engineer father and participates in math competitions for fun. We will allow him to take Algebra 1 Honors in7th if he meets the criteria because he loves math and enjoys more challenging math problems. We are able to help him if he struggles with the Algebra but we don't think that is going to be an issue for him.

It is not about if he needs to be beyond calculus in high school but about challenging him. He participates in math club and a math competition class because he wants to. He enjoys math and is strong in the subject. I want him to be challenged and to work at a level that engages him. He has not been challenged in math at school, which is why he asked to find other outlets for math.

About 15% of all 7th graders will take Algebra in 7th grade. Maybe that number could be smaller but it is not something that feels like it is being heavily pushed.