Has Bancroft's rapid gentrification ruined its chances to have its current feeder rights preserved?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't Bancroft feed to chech for bilingul reasons?

CHEC is already at 111% capacity. More than Deal and far more than what JR will be after next year.

What about MacFarland Middle? That’s also bilingual and close to Bancroft. Not as close as CHEC, but closer than Deal by a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Hardy doesn't have room because Macarthur doesn't have room.

Once they cut off the Deal preference for Hardy and stop taking OOB, Mac will have room even if they add to Hardy.

No. The Deal preference exists because Hardy students still have the by-right option to go to J-R.

Macarthur will be the only by-right option available to Hardy after one more year. Macarthur's size is tge size of a full Hardy class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Hardy doesn't have room because Macarthur doesn't have room.

Once they cut off the Deal preference for Hardy and stop taking OOB, Mac will have room even if they add to Hardy.

No. The Deal preference exists because Hardy students still have the by-right option to go to J-R.

Macarthur will be the only by-right option available to Hardy after one more year. Macarthur's size is tge size of a full Hardy class.

Then add trailers to MacArthur. Works for other schools, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Hardy doesn't have room because Macarthur doesn't have room.

Once they cut off the Deal preference for Hardy and stop taking OOB, Mac will have room even if they add to Hardy.

No. The Deal preference exists because Hardy students still have the by-right option to go to J-R.

Macarthur will be the only by-right option available to Hardy after one more year. Macarthur's size is tge size of a full Hardy class.

Then add trailers to MacArthur. Works for other schools, right?

This. Put trailers on the roof. They can just prop open the equipment access door. If there are fire safety concerns, they can hang some ropes over the side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Man- seems like they should have built Wells larger from the beginning!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't Bancroft feed to chech for bilingul reasons?

CHEC is already at 111% capacity. More than Deal and far more than what JR will be after next year.

What about MacFarland Middle? That’s also bilingual and close to Bancroft. Not as close as CHEC, but closer than Deal by a lot.

MacFarland feeds to Roosevelt, which is 130%+ capacity. No need to go to bilingual middle if you don’t have high school option plus that high school is more overcrowded than JR.

[Anonymous]

This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

So are you saying Deal (and subsequently JR) should operate at 50% capacity to get to a “healthy” number for your liking? Bethesda middle schools are 1400-1500.

Deal is the largest sized middle school, of course it will have more students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

So are you saying Deal (and subsequently JR) should operate at 50% capacity to get to a “healthy” number for your liking? Bethesda middle schools are 1400-1500.

Deal is the largest sized middle school, of course it will have more students.

I'm not saying they should run Deal way under capacity, but I am saying the idea of just pushing schools larger and larger is not ideal.

Lots of places do have mega-sized MSs and HSs, but that is for reasons of geography, cost, admin simplicity, etc. -- not because it's best for the students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

So are you saying Deal (and subsequently JR) should operate at 50% capacity to get to a “healthy” number for your liking? Bethesda middle schools are 1400-1500.

Deal is the largest sized middle school, of course it will have more students.

Every school should operate as close to capacity as possible. Capacity should not include trailers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

So are you saying Deal (and subsequently JR) should operate at 50% capacity to get to a “healthy” number for your liking? Bethesda middle schools are 1400-1500.

Deal is the largest sized middle school, of course it will have more students.

Every school should operate as close to capacity as possible. Capacity should not include trailers.

Agree. So Deal is just where they should be. JR will be now. All is well now, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Man- seems like they should have built Wells larger from the beginning!

It can be expanded, or they can flip spaces with Coolidge. They rebuilt Takoma after the fire quite quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Man- seems like they should have built Wells larger from the beginning!

It can be expanded, or they can flip spaces with Coolidge. They rebuilt Takoma after the fire quite quickly.

Why expand a brand new school when they are perfectly sized and a perfectly good school like Hardy is only at 64% capacity? That doesn’t make any sense. Think logically and not emotionally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unclear. But, since it only occurs once a decade, DCPS is going to be thinking long-term at the boundary reassessment. I expect they will this round be looking for ways to better integrate schools where that geographically makes sense.

They didn’t really do that last time. They caved to political pressure from the rich parents who go to Bancroft, Shepherd, etc.

There was no middle school that was closer for Shepherd. Assigning to New North middle (that wasn’t open yet or even location chosen) would have eventually been to Wells and as you can see, Wells is already at capacity. Conversely, Deal is now under capacity and trending down. As is JR beginning in the fall.

Well, they can expands Walls to accommodate influx of Shepherd and Lafayette students. Switch spaces with Coolidge, swing space at military road ECE, etc.

Ha ha. Why would they do all that and how can they expand Wells, a brand new school? Not to mention, Brightwood, a Wells feeder is already at 100% and rising as well. Deal is not nearly as bad as other schools. The only solution is to feed another W3 school to Hardy. I know you don’t want to accept it, but that’s what’s going to happen. Hardy is only 64% capacity. They will likely move a large WOTP feeder to Hardy. Hardy is the only middle school that has room.

Man- seems like they should have built Wells larger from the beginning!

It can be expanded, or they can flip spaces with Coolidge. They rebuilt Takoma after the fire quite quickly.

Why expand a brand new school when they are perfectly sized and a perfectly good school like Hardy is only at 64% capacity? That doesn’t make any sense. Think logically and not emotionally.

Where are you getting this idea that Hardy is 64% of capacity? Have you ever been there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is premised on the idea that school size should be the max of desks that can fit in the building. But other things matter too -- size of enrollment by itself matters.

Right now, Deal (>450 per grade)
is way larger than is ideal for middle school students. Hardy and Wells are each a healthy overall size (~200 per grade).

So are you saying Deal (and subsequently JR) should operate at 50% capacity to get to a “healthy” number for your liking? Bethesda middle schools are 1400-1500.

Deal is the largest sized middle school, of course it will have more students.

Every school should operate as close to capacity as possible. Capacity should not include trailers.

Agree. So Deal is just where they should be. JR will be now. All is well now, right?

Most of the seventh grade is in trailers. Try again.