Make UVA and W&M drop selective admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is selective colleges should be unselective. Already unselective ones are ok.

Your child isn’t too good to go where they can get in. Sorry that you think they are.

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Anonymous wrote:DH graduated from University of Wyoming - very similar to this model, should be applied to all state schools.

Accepts anyone with GPA >3.0 at 95% rate but graduation rate only 60%. Low COA for both in/out state with many graduates going on to top med and law schools.

What now? Have you believed the load of BS your husband fed you?

FYI, he's not "working late" every Wednesday, either.

Not pp but I’m not sure why you don’t believe what she said? Every big flagship sends some students to top grad schools every year.

Sure. Some =/= many.

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Anonymous wrote:DH graduated from University of Wyoming - very similar to this model, should be applied to all state schools.

Accepts anyone with GPA >3.0 at 95% rate but graduation rate only 60%. Low COA for both in/out state with many graduates going on to top med and law schools.

What now? Have you believed the load of BS your husband fed you?

FYI, he's not "working late" every Wednesday, either.

Not pp but I’m not sure why you don’t believe what she said? Every big flagship sends some students to top grad schools every year.

Sure. Some =/= many.

The total of “some” over the course of several years = many

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Virginia effectively already has schools with near-open admission. Choose one and go from there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia effectively already has schools with near-open admission. Choose one and go from there.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning.

But it's not because they are that rigorous. They are a lot like the many unselective schools in the US that have high acceptance rates. The rigorous, elite schools in Europe have competitive admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all these thousands of kids taking these classes? Like, physically, where. I don't think they have the capacity to do 500+ person classes.

They can build larger lecture halls and hire more TAs

Wow. That sounds like an enriching environment. 500 person classes taught be a TA. Might as well learn online. Count me out.

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning.

But it's not because they are that rigorous. They are a lot like the many unselective schools in the US that have high acceptance rates. The rigorous, elite schools in Europe have competitive admissions.

Are you saying ETH Zurich isn’t rigorous?

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning.

But it's not because they are that rigorous. They are a lot like the many unselective schools in the US that have high acceptance rates. The rigorous, elite schools in Europe have competitive admissions.

Are you saying ETH Zurich isn’t rigorous?

ETH Zurich has competitive admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way. I don't know where people are getting these ideas. Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities. Definitely not harder than the US.

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.

I've taught in European universities. They are not that hard and students are not that responsible. Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning.

But it's not because they are that rigorous. They are a lot like the many unselective schools in the US that have high acceptance rates. The rigorous, elite schools in Europe have competitive admissions.

Are you saying ETH Zurich isn’t rigorous?

ETH Zurich has competitive admissions.

Not for Swiss nationals.

[Anonymous]

Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

And it has a 60% graduation rate! Voila! Your perfect European style university.

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Anonymous wrote:Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

And it has a 60% graduation rate! Voila! Your perfect European style university.

The difference is ETH Zurich is much better than Redford and also better than UVA.