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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system. [/quote]

It is not hard to pass in the French/German/Dutch way.  I don't know where people are getting these ideas.  Students don't work that hard at all in most European universities.  Definitely not harder than the US.[/quote]

Not true. Many drop out because it's hard. That is, in fact, how the system works. When you graduate, you know things. Difficulty varies by major and university, of course.

Tuition is free in some European countries, but you're responsible for your room and board.[/quote]

I've taught in European universities.  They are not that hard and students are not that responsible.  Many never attend classes because they are cheap and they are not that invested and thus "drop out."[/quote]

Isn’t that part of the point? The ones who aren’t meant to be there drop out, but the benefit is everyone has an equal chance from the beginning. [/quote]

But it's not because they are that rigorous.  They are a lot like the many unselective schools in the US that have high acceptance rates.  The rigorous, elite schools in Europe have competitive admissions.[/quote]

Are you saying ETH Zurich isn’t rigorous?[/quote]

ETH Zurich has competitive admissions.[/quote]

Not for Swiss nationals. [/quote]

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