Dystopian thread by South Korean on why South Koreans don’t have kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

So my reply to this post gets removed, but this is allowed to stay? Wow, DCUM. Didn’t know you were ok with fetishizing Koreans. Good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

Oh God, the yellow fever “English teacher” has arrived on the thread.

Yeah it's gross and completely ignorant. South Koreans have the one of the highest rates of plastic surgery in the world, and it applies to the ones living abroad too. About 10 years ago when I visited Seoul every public outdoor space was covered in ads for cosmetic procedures (99% for women, obvs.) I had a Korean friend whose mom was always pressuring her to get work done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

So my reply to this post gets removed, but this is allowed to stay? Wow, DCUM. Didn’t know you were ok with fetishizing Koreans. Good to know.

What was your reply?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Why can’t people move to a less expensive town or opt out of the educational prepping insanity?

1. good jobs are mostly in the cities, like Seoul, and the majority of good paying jobs are with one of the chaebol (conglomerates) like Samsung, or Google Korea -- these types of jobs are very hard to get, which leads to...
2. unlike the US, there are not many top universities in Korea - there are maybe two - and if you can get in, you are set for life because the top companies will only hire from these companies

There are a lot of great things about Korea, but this kind of pipeline isn't healthy, which is why so many Koreans want to come to the US where the competition is less fierce, and one can get a great job without going to a T20 colleges.

People stay to 11PM - doing what? Really nothing. Just busy work. Nothing productive.

From the outside if you are hiring the best and the brightest like they claim why is it taking them so long during the day to do basic office work. They don’t sound very bright io me. What go they do? ChatGPT will make 99% of the jobs they are doing worthless anyway.

You are expected to stay in the office until your boss leaves. If the boss stays until 10PM, you stay past 10PM. Otherwise, you are not a team player, and you don't want to be *that* guy.

[Anonymous]

Aren't there SK Catholics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

Oh God, the yellow fever “English teacher” has arrived on the thread.

Yeah it's gross and completely ignorant. South Koreans have the one of the highest rates of plastic surgery in the world, and it applies to the ones living abroad too. About 10 years ago when I visited Seoul every public outdoor space was covered in ads for cosmetic procedures (99% for women, obvs.) I had a Korean friend whose mom was always pressuring her to get work done.

I think they are just more open about it. The double eyelid surgery is common, kind of like braces here.

Plastic surgery seems pretty common amongst whites in my circles - breast implants, nose jobs, face lifts, Botox and fillers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Why can’t people move to a less expensive town or opt out of the educational prepping insanity?

1. good jobs are mostly in the cities, like Seoul, and the majority of good paying jobs are with one of the chaebol (conglomerates) like Samsung, or Google Korea -- these types of jobs are very hard to get, which leads to...
2. unlike the US, there are not many top universities in Korea - there are maybe two - and if you can get in, you are set for life because the top companies will only hire from these companies

There are a lot of great things about Korea, but this kind of pipeline isn't healthy, which is why so many Koreans want to come to the US where the competition is less fierce, and one can get a great job without going to a T20 colleges.

People stay to 11PM - doing what? Really nothing. Just busy work. Nothing productive.

From the outside if you are hiring the best and the brightest like they claim why is it taking them so long during the day to do basic office work. They don’t sound very bright io me. What go they do? ChatGPT will make 99% of the jobs they are doing worthless anyway.

I don’t think everyone works until 11pm. There is just a lot of pressure to be at the top. America seems very accepting of being average. A parent would not put excessive pressure on their kid who isn’t that smart. Not everyone is smart. It is a difficult country to be an average student.

I don’t know if all schools are like this but my cousin told me all the kids are in the same class. They are not split by level. I told her in America, most kids are gen ed and then most school districts have a gifted or advanced program for the top 5-20% depending on the district.

Can you imagine putting all the slower learners with the advanced kids in the same class? They also rank you in order so you will know where you stand compared to your fellow classmates.

What? They do that here, too, other than the magnet/AP/IB classes. Where do you live? The "honors" classes are now mixed with slow and a bit more advanced learners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Why can’t people move to a less expensive town or opt out of the educational prepping insanity?

1. good jobs are mostly in the cities, like Seoul, and the majority of good paying jobs are with one of the chaebol (conglomerates) like Samsung, or Google Korea -- these types of jobs are very hard to get, which leads to...
2. unlike the US, there are not many top universities in Korea - there are maybe two - and if you can get in, you are set for life because the top companies will only hire from these companies

There are a lot of great things about Korea, but this kind of pipeline isn't healthy, which is why so many Koreans want to come to the US where the competition is less fierce, and one can get a great job without going to a T20 colleges.

People stay to 11PM - doing what? Really nothing. Just busy work. Nothing productive.

From the outside if you are hiring the best and the brightest like they claim why is it taking them so long during the day to do basic office work. They don’t sound very bright io me. What go they do? ChatGPT will make 99% of the jobs they are doing worthless anyway.

You are expected to stay in the office until your boss leaves. If the boss stays until 10PM, you stay past 10PM. Otherwise, you are not a team player, and you don't want to be *that* guy.

I worked with a white American guy who came in before our manager, and left just after. He didn't have a lot to do; he was just playing the nunchi game.

Me, I put my hours in, was a top performer, and went home, even when I was single. And I'm Korean American.

He played the political game at work; I don't do that.. can't stand it. But, unfortunately, even in the US, this kind of game can get you the promotion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Aren't there SK Catholics?

yes, but they are not a huge population, but even so, S.K. Catholics aren't like the Irish and have that many kids. Culture and religion are often intertwined everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

Oh God, the yellow fever “English teacher” has arrived on the thread.

Yeah it's gross and completely ignorant. South Koreans have the one of the highest rates of plastic surgery in the world, and it applies to the ones living abroad too. About 10 years ago when I visited Seoul every public outdoor space was covered in ads for cosmetic procedures (99% for women, obvs.) I had a Korean friend whose mom was always pressuring her to get work done.

I think they are just more open about it. The double eyelid surgery is common, kind of like braces here.

Plastic surgery seems pretty common amongst whites in my circles - breast implants, nose jobs, face lifts, Botox and fillers.

Americans tried to hide it, and pretend they just look naturally that way. Koreans are more honest about it.

RE: the double eyelid, about half of all Asian have it, but the crease is closer to the eye so it's not as noticeable on most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Why can’t people move to a less expensive town or opt out of the educational prepping insanity?

1. good jobs are mostly in the cities, like Seoul, and the majority of good paying jobs are with one of the chaebol (conglomerates) like Samsung, or Google Korea -- these types of jobs are very hard to get, which leads to...
2. unlike the US, there are not many top universities in Korea - there are maybe two - and if you can get in, you are set for life because the top companies will only hire from these companies

There are a lot of great things about Korea, but this kind of pipeline isn't healthy, which is why so many Koreans want to come to the US where the competition is less fierce, and one can get a great job without going to a T20 colleges.

People stay to 11PM - doing what? Really nothing. Just busy work. Nothing productive.

From the outside if you are hiring the best and the brightest like they claim why is it taking them so long during the day to do basic office work. They don’t sound very bright io me. What go they do? ChatGPT will make 99% of the jobs they are doing worthless anyway.

I don’t think everyone works until 11pm. There is just a lot of pressure to be at the top. America seems very accepting of being average. A parent would not put excessive pressure on their kid who isn’t that smart. Not everyone is smart. It is a difficult country to be an average student.

I don’t know if all schools are like this but my cousin told me all the kids are in the same class. They are not split by level. I told her in America, most kids are gen ed and then most school districts have a gifted or advanced program for the top 5-20% depending on the district.

Can you imagine putting all the slower learners with the advanced kids in the same class? They also rank you in order so you will know where you stand compared to your fellow classmates.

What? They do that here, too, other than the magnet/AP/IB classes. Where do you live? The "honors" classes are now mixed with slow and a bit more advanced learners.

We live in McLean. The advanced kids are in AAP. If you put the lower kids with the AAP kids, it would be horrible for the low performers, especially in math. I actually asked my cousin specifically about math and she said all the kids learn the same math. I told her in America, a student could elect to take some honors and some regular or all regular classes in high school and still go on to an ok college and have a fine life. She said that the moms would not want their kids in the average or lower classes. Seems like a bad system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Children are economically useless in modern, “knowledge work” societies. They can’t contribute much economically until they’re in their 20s, and require a ton of education & investment to get to that point.

Heartbreaking statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame, they are a gorgeous race. I don’t mean the celebrities. Just about every Korean-American woman I know is slim and gorgeous.

Oh God, the yellow fever “English teacher” has arrived on the thread.

Yeah it's gross and completely ignorant. South Koreans have the one of the highest rates of plastic surgery in the world, and it applies to the ones living abroad too. About 10 years ago when I visited Seoul every public outdoor space was covered in ads for cosmetic procedures (99% for women, obvs.) I had a Korean friend whose mom was always pressuring her to get work done.

Appearances matter more in Korea.

People are expected to attach a photo of themselves on job applications, and employers can discriminate based on appearance. Plastic surgery can make a difference in getting a job, and there aren’t enough good jobs to go around. People will look for any advantage they can get. There is also less of a stigma against plastic surgery as long as it isn’t botched.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

It costs too much to raise kids in Korea. How are immigrants going to raise their kids in Korea if native Koreans even can't? What the he|| could uneducated Pedro and Maria from Guatemala do in Seoul that would allow them to raise kids there, and I mean in a way that would allow the kids to move up in the world rather than doing whatever Pedro and Maria do?

Why do African countries have so many children? It is expensive too but people are still having 5+ kids

In African countries, children are more of an asset than expense. They can provide great labor to the family & community in terms of farming, selling food etc at an early age. They can take care of their parents when they’re old. Also, sex is free & fun, and there’s low access to birth control. Becoming a parent in such places is a way to self-actualize since formal education, travel & careers aren’t easily accessible. Children provide simple enjoyment. A family in an African country doesn’t need to spend hundreds of dollars/month on math & computer science lessons to be considered a good parent.

Disillusioned much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I recently visited Korea and grateful that my kids live in America. There is so much pressure to excel academically in Korea. If you are not top of 10%, it seems you have no shot at a good college. College acceptance and majors are determined by a single test. Depression seems common. Most parents push their kids and spending hours at these after school academies is the norm. So kids are at school all day and then have to spend several hours at these after school programs. Problem is everyone is doing it so it is hard to be at the top.

Sounds like Fairfax, VA