Dystopian thread by South Korean on why South Koreans don’t have kids

[Anonymous]

It’s common knowledge that South Korea has one of the worst fertility rates in the world.

Almost 40% lower than even Japan!

An illuminating twitter thread from a South Korean about why that is:

https://twitter.com/juwonreports/status/1646494684427218945?s=46&t=RXug2E3wPuDEf8vlgSC9SQ

[Anonymous]

Interesting. Why can’t people move to a less expensive town or opt out of the educational prepping insanity?

[Anonymous]

None of my 3 Japanese cousins living in Japan have kids. Most of the Japanese I know in the US and Europe have kids. In Japan there’s pressure to conform, it’s expensive, and mothers are expected to stop working and put themselves last.

[Anonymous]

“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of my 3 Japanese cousins living in Japan have kids. Most of the Japanese I know in the US and Europe have kids. In Japan there’s pressure to conform, it’s expensive, and mothers are expected to stop working and put themselves last.

Japanese, Chinese and Korean diaspora in the us still lag tfr compared to other Americans

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42379-019-00024-7

I think it really comes down to cultural pressure/focus on education and prestige

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

That works for the US but not really for many other countries. And it won't work for the US forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

That works for the US but not really for many other countries. And it won't work for the US forever.

It doesn’t work for those countries because they’re xenophobic.

[Anonymous]

And if you think banning abortion is the answer: https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3mv84/poland-abortion-ban

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

It costs too much to raise kids in Korea. How are immigrants going to raise their kids in Korea if native Koreans even can't? What the he|| could uneducated Pedro and Maria from Guatemala do in Seoul that would allow them to raise kids there, and I mean in a way that would allow the kids to move up in the world rather than doing whatever Pedro and Maria do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

It costs too much to raise kids in Korea. How are immigrants going to raise their kids in Korea if native Koreans even can't? What the he|| could uneducated Pedro and Maria from Guatemala do in Seoul that would allow them to raise kids there, and I mean in a way that would allow the kids to move up in the world rather than doing whatever Pedro and Maria do?

Why do African countries have so many children? It is expensive too but people are still having 5+ kids

[Anonymous]

Interesting. Our friends who are South Korean but have lived here since childhood have 4 kids. They speak only Korean at home and are extremely active in their Korean church. Childcare is provided by Korean grandparents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Worst”? Maybe stop framing it as a bad thing. Perhaps let in immigrants.

It costs too much to raise kids in Korea. How are immigrants going to raise their kids in Korea if native Koreans even can't? What the he|| could uneducated Pedro and Maria from Guatemala do in Seoul that would allow them to raise kids there, and I mean in a way that would allow the kids to move up in the world rather than doing whatever Pedro and Maria do?

Why do African countries have so many children? It is expensive too but people are still having 5+ kids

In African countries, children are more of an asset than expense. They can provide great labor to the family & community in terms of farming, selling food etc at an early age. They can take care of their parents when they’re old. Also, sex is free & fun, and there’s low access to birth control. Becoming a parent in such places is a way to self-actualize since formal education, travel & careers aren’t easily accessible. Children provide simple enjoyment. A family in an African country doesn’t need to spend hundreds of dollars/month on math & computer science lessons to be considered a good parent.

[Anonymous]

What is "nunchi game" anyone know?

[Anonymous]

Children are economically useless in modern, “knowledge work” societies. They can’t contribute much economically until they’re in their 20s, and require a ton of education & investment to get to that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is "nunchi game" anyone know?

Google-fu only, no first hand knowledge: https://canaderuraee.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/the-nunchi-game-for-an-esl-class-in-korea/