Quake reveals day of Jesus' crucifixion, researchers believe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating!

How does this fit in with the knowledge that Christian religious holidays were set to coincide with already existing Pagan holidays?

e.g., Christmas is set right after the winter solstice, the Yuletide festival, when days were just starting to get longer again, and Easter, whose date changes yearly, is the 1st Sunday, after the first full moon, after the vernal equinox.

Also, it's interesting that science is being used as a method to verify the Crucifixion. Faith, not science, is the basis of religion.

Faith is required to believe in the resurrection, which defies science.

Did you read the actual report? All they did was determine that an earthquake happened some time between 26 and 36 AD. It's hardly proof of anything . . . it doesn't mean it happened at the same time as the crucifixion, which they explicitly state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating!

How does this fit in with the knowledge that Christian religious holidays were set to coincide with already existing Pagan holidays?

e.g., Christmas is set right after the winter solstice, the Yuletide festival, when days were just starting to get longer again, and Easter, whose date changes yearly, is the 1st Sunday, after the first full moon, after the vernal equinox.

Also, it's interesting that science is being used as a method to verify the Crucifixion. Faith, not science, is the basis of religion.

Faith is required to believe in the resurrection, which defies science.

Did you read the actual report? All they did was determine that an earthquake happened some time between 26 and 36 AD. It's hardly proof of anything . . . it doesn't mean it happened at the same time as the crucifixion, which they explicitly state.

Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday, April 3 in the year 33, geologists say. They base their conclusion on a review of seismic activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating!

How does this fit in with the knowledge that Christian religious holidays were set to coincide with already existing Pagan holidays?

e.g., Christmas is set right after the winter solstice, the Yuletide festival, when days were just starting to get longer again, and Easter, whose date changes yearly, is the 1st Sunday, after the first full moon, after the vernal equinox.

Also, it's interesting that science is being used as a method to verify the Crucifixion. Faith, not science, is the basis of religion.

Faith is required to believe in the resurrection, which defies science.

Did you read the actual report? All they did was determine that an earthquake happened some time between 26 and 36 AD. It's hardly proof of anything . . . it doesn't mean it happened at the same time as the crucifixion, which they explicitly state.

Jesus, as described in the New Testament, was most likely crucified on Friday, April 3 in the year 33, geologists say. They base their conclusion on a review of seismic activity.

That is the subheading of the NBC News article, not from the report itself.

[Anonymous]

“To analyze earthquake activity in the region, geologist Jefferson Williams of Supersonic Geophysical and colleagues Markus Schwab and Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences studied three cores from the beach of the Ein Gedi Spa adjacent to the Dead Sea.

Varves, which are annual layers of deposition in the sediments, reveal that at least two major earthquakes affected the core: a widespread earthquake in 31 B.C. and a seismic event that happened sometime between the years 26 and 36.

The latter period occurred during “the years when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea and when the earthquake of the Gospel of Matthew is historically constrained,” Williams said.

"The day and date of the crucifixion (Good Friday) are known with a fair degree of precision," he said. But the year has been in question.

In terms of textual clues to the date of the crucifixion, Williams quoted a Nature paper authored by Colin Humphreys and Graeme Waddington. Williams summarized their work as follows:

All four gospels and Tacitus in Annals (XV, 44) agree that the crucifixion occurred when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea from A.D. 26 to 36.
All four gospels say the crucifixion occurred on a Friday.
All four gospels agree that Jesus died a few hours before the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath (nightfall on a Friday).
The synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) indicate that Jesus died before nightfall on the 14th day of Nisan, right before the start of the Passover meal.
John’s gospel differs from the synoptics, apparently indicating that Jesus died before nightfall on the 15th day of Nisan.
When data about the Jewish calendar and astronomical calculations are factored in, a handful of possible dates result, with Friday, April 3, 33, being the best match, according to the researchers.“

No, it’s in the body of the article, not just the subheading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:

“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)

And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25

This expulsion took place in 49AD, and in another work, Suetonius wrote about the fire which destroyed Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians for this fire and he punished Christians severely as a result:

“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

There is much we can learn from Suetonius as it is related to the life of early Christians. From this account, we know Jesus had an immediate impact on His followers: They were committed to their belief Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the Roman Empire. Jesus had a curious and immediate impact on His followers, empowering them to die courageously for what they knew to be true.

Celsus was quite antagonistic to the claims of the Gospels, but in his criticism he unknowingly affirmed and reinforced the Biblical authors and their content. His writing is extensive and he alludes to 80 different Biblical quotes, confirming their early appearance in history. In addition, he admits the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the early 2nd century:

“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.”

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

The above are hostile, non-Christian accounts, btw.

And you believe it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:

“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)

And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25

This expulsion took place in 49AD, and in another work, Suetonius wrote about the fire which destroyed Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians for this fire and he punished Christians severely as a result:

“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

There is much we can learn from Suetonius as it is related to the life of early Christians. From this account, we know Jesus had an immediate impact on His followers: They were committed to their belief Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the Roman Empire. Jesus had a curious and immediate impact on His followers, empowering them to die courageously for what they knew to be true.

Celsus was quite antagonistic to the claims of the Gospels, but in his criticism he unknowingly affirmed and reinforced the Biblical authors and their content. His writing is extensive and he alludes to 80 different Biblical quotes, confirming their early appearance in history. In addition, he admits the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the early 2nd century:

“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.”

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

The above are hostile, non-Christian accounts, btw.

And you believe it?

Believe what? The writings posted above? They are considered authentic historical accounts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

You only believe science that supports your beliefs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

You only believe science that supports your beliefs?

Do you mean “beliefs” in facts and evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

You only believe science that supports your beliefs?

Do you mean “beliefs” in facts and evidence?

Like the facts and evidence surrounding the assassination of John F Kennedy? Which was caught on film, witnessed by hundreds of people, and still nobody knows exactly what happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:

“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)

And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25

This expulsion took place in 49AD, and in another work, Suetonius wrote about the fire which destroyed Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians for this fire and he punished Christians severely as a result:

“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

There is much we can learn from Suetonius as it is related to the life of early Christians. From this account, we know Jesus had an immediate impact on His followers: They were committed to their belief Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the Roman Empire. Jesus had a curious and immediate impact on His followers, empowering them to die courageously for what they knew to be true.

Celsus was quite antagonistic to the claims of the Gospels, but in his criticism he unknowingly affirmed and reinforced the Biblical authors and their content. His writing is extensive and he alludes to 80 different Biblical quotes, confirming their early appearance in history. In addition, he admits the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the early 2nd century:

“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.”

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

The above are hostile, non-Christian accounts, btw.

And you believe it?

Believe what? The writings posted above? They are considered authentic historical accounts.

By whom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting.

What do you think the symbolism of Jesus dying at 33 years of age on April 3, year 033 is?

Saint Augustine first articulated the theological concept of the triune God comprising Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one.

Was this intended to point to the triune God, do you think ?

It is amazing how many archeological findings support core elements of various Bible stories - although I am not a biblical literalist, there are so many core transcendent truths in the Bible.

The symbolism? The Gregorian calendar was adopted in 1582. It is just coincidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:

“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)

And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25

This expulsion took place in 49AD, and in another work, Suetonius wrote about the fire which destroyed Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians for this fire and he punished Christians severely as a result:

“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

There is much we can learn from Suetonius as it is related to the life of early Christians. From this account, we know Jesus had an immediate impact on His followers: They were committed to their belief Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the Roman Empire. Jesus had a curious and immediate impact on His followers, empowering them to die courageously for what they knew to be true.

Celsus was quite antagonistic to the claims of the Gospels, but in his criticism he unknowingly affirmed and reinforced the Biblical authors and their content. His writing is extensive and he alludes to 80 different Biblical quotes, confirming their early appearance in history. In addition, he admits the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the early 2nd century:

“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.”

https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

The above are hostile, non-Christian accounts, btw.

And you believe it?

Believe what? The writings posted above? They are considered authentic historical accounts.

By whom?

Historians, academics, and scholars who teach in higher education, accredited universities, teach classes to students seeking degrees in such courses of study, write and critique research papers, as well as historical textbooks and history books. Are you a college attendee or graduate? I find it hard to believe you don’t understand these concepts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

You only believe science that supports your beliefs?

Do you mean “beliefs” in facts and evidence?

Like the facts and evidence surrounding the assassination of John F Kennedy? Which was caught on film, witnessed by hundreds of people, and still nobody knows exactly what happened?

No one claimed that science always explains everything. From the physical evidence, we can determine that JFK was shot.

In this case, the only thing that science tells us is that there was likely seismic activity in Ein Gedi between the years 26 and 36. That’s it. It doesn’t say anything beyond that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^^
Many DCUM posters do not respond to main points but go off on tangents … sigh …

I don’t understand how dating the earthquake pinpoints the date of death. Doesn’t that assume that the accounts of an earthquake happening at that exact moment are accurate?

No, the ancient seismometers are very reliable.

That's not the part I'm questioning. What I'm saying is (1) even if we accept that this earthquake happened on this day, what is (2) the proof that Jesus was crucified on the same day/at the same moment as the earthquake? In order to accept #2, we have to believe that (a) the onlookers are recalling everything exactly as it happened and (b) the story, as handed down, hasn't changed. There is no objective proof of (a) or (b) (I understand that people of faith don't need objective proof, I'm talking about whether pinpointing the date of an earthquake = objective proof of the date and time of the crucifixion).

You only believe science that supports your beliefs?

Do you mean “beliefs” in facts and evidence?

Like the facts and evidence surrounding the assassination of John F Kennedy? Which was caught on film, witnessed by hundreds of people, and still nobody knows exactly what happened?

No one claimed that science always explains everything. From the physical evidence, we can determine that JFK was shot.

In this case, the only thing that science tells us is that there was likely seismic activity in Ein Gedi between the years 26 and 36. That’s it. It doesn’t say anything beyond that.

That’s untrue. People should read the link and decide for themselves.