Colleges without overzealous “honor codes” or “honor councils”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.

Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.

Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.

There is a history of unfair accusations at these schools. Read some of their newspaper articles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

Is this satire?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.

Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.

There is a such thing as accidental “cheating.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

Is this satire?

No. I truly don’t get it. If the honor council is capricious and unfair, that is a problem regardless of cost of college. What does the cost of college have to do with expectations of integrity or the unfair practices with ensuring integrity???

[Anonymous]

There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.

It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled by this thread. People actually want a school with no honor code and no integrity? They feel tuition is too expensive so there should be no consequences should their kid cheat? Who are you people? I am a white collar prosecutor. I suspect I will meet many of your offspring in coming years.

This. I get being worried about unfair or overzealous councils. But how is that in any way connected to the cost of college and the idea that one is a “paying customer”???

I’m also baffled. If you don’t want to be brought up in front of an honor council, don’t cheat.

Students have had 12+ years of education and have been informed many times about the consequences of cheating. College students know it’s wrong, and there should be consequences. My college had a strict code, and it never bothered me. I never considered cheating.

There is a such thing as accidental “cheating.”

What’s an example of accidental cheating?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.

It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.

So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.

It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.

So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.

No “honor council.”

[Anonymous]

Honor proceedings are private. When the council reports a case, they redact all identifying info.

[Anonymous]

In this day & age with woke mobs I don’t trust kids to not persecute their peers.

[Anonymous]

My kid reports that so many people at their HS cheat. It makes my kid uncomfortable. I think an honor code isn’t the worst thing.

[Anonymous]

Reminds me of the Salem witch trials

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are universities that don’t have honor codes? My kids are at different private k-12 and they have honor codes that address cheating, plagiarism etc. not something I’m concerned about so I never researched honor codes at universities just assumed they all had a codified honor system. Honor council by peers is understandably tricky but if not peers then it would be faculty, administrators and student representatives I think.

It should be handled 100% privately & confidentially.

So is it open court where all members of the community can attend the hearing or is it a close session with just the student and their representative before the honor council? I agree that it should be confidential and only council members should be present at the hearing.

No “honor council.”

There will be a group that reviews allegations of honor code violations; they may not be called honor council but they exist. You prefer if a single individual pass judgement or you don’t think there should be any consequences for violation?