Why hasn’t university of Utah blown up for oos like Boulder/Burlington?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are wary of Mormons.

Can you explain in greater detail?

Im not mormon but I’ve been out there many times and it seems pretty decent?

And also slc is rapidly de-mormoning and byu is the one that gets the hard core Mormons

People who haven’t been to UT are wary.

Most people who haven’t been to SLC don’t realize how non-Mormon it is.

This is a funny comment to me. We went last year and I was surprised by how Mormon SLC is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Salt Lake City is fun to visit, and Utah is great for skiing, but I would not want to go to college that lacks diversity

Have you been to Boulder? Beautiful but super-white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

Vegas is an easy 6 hour drive. SLC airport is 15 minutes from campus. Also within a 6 hour drive: all of Utah’s national parks (Arches, Canyonlands, Zion, Escalante, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Grand Canyon), Moab, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Sun Valley, Targhee, Saint George (underrated but stunning, especially if you golf or cycle), Lake Powell, Boise.

Water is a big issue. Hopefully it deters new people as I think the Covid boom was all we can take.

The anti Mormon sentiment is borderline bigotry on here. Mormons who choose Utah over BYU are a different breed. Mormons who would be your neighbor in SLC or Park City are UMC or wealthy and they are generally more progressive. The rest live in Utah County (closer to BYU), where you’d never go other than for kids’ sports, unless you work in silicone slopes, though plenty of people work in Utah County and live in SLC or PC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

Vegas is an easy 6 hour drive. SLC airport is 15 minutes from campus. Also within a 6 hour drive: all of Utah’s national parks (Arches, Canyonlands, Zion, Escalante, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Grand Canyon), Moab, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Sun Valley, Targhee, Saint George (underrated but stunning, especially if you golf or cycle), Lake Powell, Boise.

Water is a big issue. Hopefully it deters new people as I think the Covid boom was all we can take.

The anti Mormon sentiment is borderline bigotry on here. Mormons who choose Utah over BYU are a different breed. Mormons who would be your neighbor in SLC or Park City are UMC or wealthy and they are generally more progressive. The rest live in Utah County (closer to BYU), where you’d never go other than for kids’ sports, unless you work in silicone slopes, though plenty of people work in Utah County and live in SLC or PC.

The casual classism in this post is absolutely shocking. Like, what, they’re good people because they’re rich??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

Vegas is an easy 6 hour drive. SLC airport is 15 minutes from campus. Also within a 6 hour drive: all of Utah’s national parks (Arches, Canyonlands, Zion, Escalante, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Grand Canyon), Moab, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Sun Valley, Targhee, Saint George (underrated but stunning, especially if you golf or cycle), Lake Powell, Boise.

Water is a big issue. Hopefully it deters new people as I think the Covid boom was all we can take.

The anti Mormon sentiment is borderline bigotry on here. Mormons who choose Utah over BYU are a different breed. Mormons who would be your neighbor in SLC or Park City are UMC or wealthy and they are generally more progressive. The rest live in Utah County (closer to BYU), where you’d never go other than for kids’ sports, unless you work in silicone slopes, though plenty of people work in Utah County and live in SLC or PC.

Same poster you responded to--Utah is actually my favorite state in the country to visit. It's gorgeous! And my opinion of Mormons is very high (especially after seeing how they responded to Trump), but I understand why many young people would be wary of going to college in a state run so conservatively vs. Colorado or Vermont.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

Vegas is an easy 6 hour drive. SLC airport is 15 minutes from campus. Also within a 6 hour drive: all of Utah’s national parks (Arches, Canyonlands, Zion, Escalante, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Grand Canyon), Moab, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Sun Valley, Targhee, Saint George (underrated but stunning, especially if you golf or cycle), Lake Powell, Boise.

Water is a big issue. Hopefully it deters new people as I think the Covid boom was all we can take.

The anti Mormon sentiment is borderline bigotry on here. Mormons who choose Utah over BYU are a different breed. Mormons who would be your neighbor in SLC or Park City are UMC or wealthy and they are generally more progressive. The rest live in Utah County (closer to BYU), where you’d never go other than for kids’ sports, unless you work in silicone slopes, though plenty of people work in Utah County and live in SLC or PC.

The casual classism in this post is absolutely shocking. Like, what, they’re good people because they’re rich??

PP. More like they’re less pious and more mainstream, but you’re right - it doesn’t look good and I’m stopping now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It has an amazing dance conservatory.

This is the only thing I know about U of U. Highly sought after dance program. One of the top for ballet in the country.

my college roommate’s daughter will be moving to SLC after she graduates this year to work for one of those big consulting firms that has a base there - she interned there last summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The battle for water rights and access is real. SLC is facing a significant water crisis - beyond conservation efforts - with some areas using water trucks.

+1 This is going to be a huge issue going forward. Why contribute to it?

Also, a huge part of their problem is no doubt that there aren't any other major population centers within a day's drive of SLC, and most people don't want to be that far from home. Boulder has the same problem, but not some of the other issues mentioned.

Vegas is an easy 6 hour drive. SLC airport is 15 minutes from campus. Also within a 6 hour drive: all of Utah’s national parks (Arches, Canyonlands, Zion, Escalante, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Grand Canyon), Moab, Jackson Hole, Grand Teton, Yellowstone, Sun Valley, Targhee, Saint George (underrated but stunning, especially if you golf or cycle), Lake Powell, Boise.

Water is a big issue. Hopefully it deters new people as I think the Covid boom was all we can take.

The anti Mormon sentiment is borderline bigotry on here. Mormons who choose Utah over BYU are a different breed. Mormons who would be your neighbor in SLC or Park City are UMC or wealthy and they are generally more progressive. The rest live in Utah County (closer to BYU), where you’d never go other than for kids’ sports, unless you work in silicone slopes, though plenty of people work in Utah County and live in SLC or PC.

Same poster you responded to--Utah is actually my favorite state in the country to visit. It's gorgeous! And my opinion of Mormons is very high (especially after seeing how they responded to Trump), but I understand why many young people would be wary of going to college in a state run so conservatively vs. Colorado or Vermont.

Two thirds of Mormons voted for Trump.
https://religionnews.com/2021/04/01/younger-u-s-mormons-voted-for-biden-but-trump-performed-well-overall/

[Anonymous]

Highly regarded ballet program.

Had some dance friends from Cali that attended.

Dance was great, everything else not so much.

I think Mormons are fine and have nothing against them, however as a late teen/early twenties students like my friends, if you are not Mormon it can be isolating. Not sure if it is still this way, but most businesses were closed on Sunday. There are many commuter students. It can be harder to find your people.

[Anonymous]

I have been to the campus twice for work and pretty is not a word that comes to mind. Utilitarian, maybe? My colleagues there are doing rigorous and important work. But if your child reacts to appearances, it won’t be high on their list.

[Anonymous]

Remember this is DCUM. The most opinionated people here generally don't know much about anything but their so-called "T50" universities and those in VA/MD/DC/PA/DE. Once you get past that list, most of their opinions are shaped largely by a particular college's location and whether they'd like to visit or live there.

In the more informed real world, I think the issue with U of Utah is largely a perception lag:
- UVM and Boulder have long sought and attracted wealthy OOS students (drawn to the beauty and skiing), dating back decades. Not so with Utah.
- CU and UVM also have had stronger academic reputations that would attract OOS students (and their paying parents). E.g., Boulder has always been viewed as the strongest university in the Rockies. UVM's rep might not be as strong as it was but it was considered one of the original 'public Ivies.' Utah was a fine school but didn't have that kind of national-level academic reputation.
- There's almost certainly some degree of ill-informed stereotyping of Utah going on, particularly among those far away on the East Coast. Notwithstanding that UofU is actually considered Utah's school for non-Mormons (compared to BYU) or that Salt Lake City with its LGBTQ mayor is a lively state capital not a theocracy. For people given to simple-minded dismissals, "Utah - Mormons!" is considered thoughtful analysis.
- I think for OOS applicants who actually looked into the UofU, the fact that until recently it had a relatively low percentage of students living on campus (or from OOS) reinforced the perception that it was mostly a commuter school for Utahns (compared to the livelier campus life at places like Boulder or Tucson or Eugene).

Some of these are issues (more dorms, better academic reputation) that the University is addressing, and some will be remedied more organically (perceptions of Salt Lake City will eventually catch up with reality). But I suspect the OOS trailblazers at Utah will be not East Coasters but California students who can't get into UC schools, and will start establishing an OOS presence at Utah as they have at other state flagships around the region. That will change the university's OOS demographics, and also help change UofU's on-line reputation for OOSers in a way that will finally trickle back to the East Coast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the city is the big difference. Salt Lake City is fine but not particularly interesting for a college student. Feels a little desolate to me. Boulder and Burlington are fantastic towns.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People are wary of Mormons.

Can you explain in greater detail?

Im not mormon but I’ve been out there many times and it seems pretty decent?

And also slc is rapidly de-mormoning and byu is the one that gets the hard core Mormons

People who haven’t been to UT are wary.

Most people who haven’t been to SLC don’t realize how non-Mormon it is.

This is a funny comment to me. We went last year and I was surprised by how Mormon SLC is!

Yeah, plus I lived in a mormon founded town, and I'm probably more wary, not less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember this is DCUM. The most opinionated people here generally don't know much about anything but their so-called "T50" universities and those in VA/MD/DC/PA/DE. Once you get past that list, most of their opinions are shaped largely by a particular college's location and whether they'd like to visit or live there.

In the more informed real world, I think the issue with U of Utah is largely a perception lag:
- UVM and Boulder have long sought and attracted wealthy OOS students (drawn to the beauty and skiing), dating back decades. Not so with Utah.
- CU and UVM also have had stronger academic reputations that would attract OOS students (and their paying parents). E.g., Boulder has always been viewed as the strongest university in the Rockies. UVM's rep might not be as strong as it was but it was considered one of the original 'public Ivies.' Utah was a fine school but didn't have that kind of national-level academic reputation.
- There's almost certainly some degree of ill-informed stereotyping of Utah going on, particularly among those far away on the East Coast. Notwithstanding that UofU is actually considered Utah's school for non-Mormons (compared to BYU) or that Salt Lake City with its LGBTQ mayor is a lively state capital not a theocracy. For people given to simple-minded dismissals, "Utah - Mormons!" is considered thoughtful analysis.
- I think for OOS applicants who actually looked into the UofU, the fact that until recently it had a relatively low percentage of students living on campus (or from OOS) reinforced the perception that it was mostly a commuter school for Utahns (compared to the livelier campus life at places like Boulder or Tucson or Eugene).

Some of these are issues (more dorms, better academic reputation) that the University is addressing, and some will be remedied more organically (perceptions of Salt Lake City will eventually catch up with reality). But I suspect the OOS trailblazers at Utah will be not East Coasters but California students who can't get into UC schools, and will start establishing an OOS presence at Utah as they have at other state flagships around the region. That will change the university's OOS demographics, and also help change UofU's on-line reputation for OOSers in a way that will finally trickle back to the East Coast.

Op here…this all makes sense

Just wanted to give a heads up to all the sporty outdoorsy kids in dmv that there is another option besides Vermont and Boulder