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PP who said life isn’t fair is right. Everyone has challenges/obstacles to overcome, and they aren’t always obvious. Poverty is certainly a disadvantage, but so are learning disabilities, physical disabilities, mental illness, disease, abuse, neglect, addiction, etc.
There’s also a question of perspective. I consider myself to have been incredibly blessed. I had a loving, supportive family. Thanks to my parents hard work, we had what I considered a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle, although by DCUM standards we would have probably been considered lower middle class. The professional class of doctors and lawyers that DCUM tends to consider upper middle class we would have considered wealthy. My parents worked grueling jobs at the post office. My father worked years on the night shift, while my mother worked days lifting heavy trays of mail that were a physical strain for a very petite woman. They filled a multitude of stenopads with the notes they left each other on the kitchen table. Meanwhile, people living in this country, in this time, are unbelievably advantaged compared to the multitude of humanity through the ages. Yes, we have hunger, homelessness, healthcare shortages, and other problems associated with poverty, but it has ever been thus. Our country also has supports (however insufficient) to try to address these needs, which have not always been available. Meanwhile, there is food to be had (despite egg shortages and COVID supply disruptions, we are not experiencing famine). Racism is an area we still struggle with, but we don’t live with genocide. While you may disagree with politicians, or even the system in general, you don’t have to worry about “disappearing” if you displease the current leadership. While I’ll be the first to admit our public schools have problems, the fact that we have public schools is pretty amazing when most people through history (and even many today) haven’t had the opportunity to access education, and in many cases it’s been directly prohibited. Moreover, the average person, lives with luxuries the kings and emperors of old would have envied. Hot and cold running water, flush toilets, furnaces and even air conditioners, stoves that you turn on with a knob, electric lights, cars, microwaves, phones, televisions, etc. We can’t make life fair. Even if we confiscated everyone’s money and reallocated it, how do you do that fairly? Do you apportion it by individual or family? What about those who have needs making it harder for them to earn money but giving them greater expenses. How do you balance those who are careful/lucky with those who aren’t. We’ve plenty of examples where even financial “experts” and institutions make huge financial blunders. Certainly individuals are not immune from their own financial mishaps, possibly as victims of the aforementioned institutions. It’s a flawed world, made up of flawed individuals, and fate/luck/divine providence (whatever you want to call it) introduces a random element that we are utterly incapable of controlling. There is no fair. However, compared to most of the world today or through history, modern Americans aren’t starting on 3rd, we already won the game just by being here. If you’re still not convinced, try asking the immigrants who risk their lives to come here, starting with absolute nothing, knowing that their lack of legal status means that even if they make it here, they’ll have less opportunity and more risk than citizens, but still come by the thousands. Yes, we should work together to tackle the many problems we have, and to help those who need help. But “fair“ is unachievable and a distraction from the real work to be done. There will always be someone with “more” and someone with “less” whatever yardstick you use, and they’re all inherently flawed. Comparisons only build resentment and don’t fix anything. Let’s focus on fixing what we can to actually help people. |
Why are you even asking people where their down payment came from? That’s just weird. I’ve never had anyone ask me that other than the bank that gave us our mortgage. |
“People” or a specific person, OP? This sounds very personal. |
I had high school diploma when I came here from EE. I spoke 4 languages when I arrived and learned Spanish in one year thank to knowing a few before. I did work hard, but people treated me like I was so special somehow. I was hired every time I applied for a job. I was offered jobs several times while I was working, and I had even been offered a job while I was shopping. I also got an apartment while I had no credit. I was told that I do. My friend told me that my credit was being white and I took notice. By the way, my super power disappears when I go to Europe. I comes back when I get off the plane in US. |
| The original gist of this thread reminded me of a 45 year old man I met at his parent’s beach house. He talked about how people that do manual labor shouldn’t complain about hard work because “I worked hard too. I was up til MIDNIGHT studying when I was at the (lower-ranked Ivy League school) library.” |
OP expects handouts, and yes, financial disclosures from people, too. GMAFB. OP, you have no idea who was born on third base and who was the furthest from it. |
| You people are sooo pathetic. I wasn’t even born on a base. I was a foster kid and aged out. My mother was a drug addicted prostitutes and my father is of unknown origin. I was very lucky to be part of a program that allowed me to go to college for free. I graduated school in 1998 and have always worked my ass off. Just filed my taxes and I brought in 327,000 in 2022. I married a man born on 3rd and YOU BET we are going give our kids the world and they don’t own any of you colossal losers an explanation of where their good fortune came from. |
| If you were born in the U.S. you’re already on third base. |
We all get help in some capacity. Some people from families, others get it from the government. Stop counting other people’s’ wallets and MYOB. |
| People are awfully defensive here about getting help. Most people don't have it and their lives are harder. Sorry. People born on third truly do have it easier, financially. Maybe that hurts to hear. But ... it's true! |
This attitude bothers me and I am married to someone who claimed he never went to an elite prep school even though he went to Exteter (THE elite prep school) and that he got into Harvard on his own merits even though he is a legacy. You worked hard, but you started on third. Just imagine for a second if you started on first and you worked as hard as you did... you might have ended up on third. You are def. a nepo baby! |
American citizens are all on third. |
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Reminds me of the college kids on Twitter getting jealous that their classmates don’t work or work part-time, and that those kids are getting their rent paid for by parents. I mean…wasn’t that obvious? Do they think the average 20 year old has $16k/year of their own money lying around?
This is why you don’t discuss money. People get offended and confused easily, and don’t understand nuance. |
| Eek. Op, if you are really this negative, you should get a lot of therapy asap. |
| It's not that people ask others where their down payments come from. I get annoyed when career gurus or influencers talk about how to get ahead when their recommendations assume you have a trust fund or a rich spouse. Or that "quitting" was the best thing they could have done, etc. OK fine, but if you're going to be open about your choices, be open about what allowed you to make those choices. Don't tell half the story. |