People who are born on third yet act like they worked "so hard" for something

Anonymous
PP who said life isn’t fair is right. Everyone has challenges/obstacles to overcome, and they aren’t always obvious. Poverty is certainly a disadvantage, but so are learning disabilities, physical disabilities, mental illness, disease, abuse, neglect, addiction, etc.

There’s also a question of perspective. I consider myself to have been incredibly blessed. I had a loving, supportive family. Thanks to my parents hard work, we had what I considered a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle, although by DCUM standards we would have probably been considered lower middle class. The professional class of doctors and lawyers that DCUM tends to consider upper middle class we would have considered wealthy. My parents worked grueling jobs at the post office. My father worked years on the night shift, while my mother worked days lifting heavy trays of mail that were a physical strain for a very petite woman. They filled a multitude of stenopads with the notes they left each other on the kitchen table.

Meanwhile, people living in this country, in this time, are unbelievably advantaged compared to the multitude of humanity through the ages. Yes, we have hunger, homelessness, healthcare shortages, and other problems associated with poverty, but it has ever been thus. Our country also has supports (however insufficient) to try to address these needs, which have not always been available. Meanwhile, there is food to be had (despite egg shortages and COVID supply disruptions, we are not experiencing famine). Racism is an area we still struggle with, but we don’t live with genocide. While you may disagree with politicians, or even the system in general, you don’t have to worry about “disappearing” if you displease the current leadership. While I’ll be the first to admit our public schools have problems, the fact that we have public schools is pretty amazing when most people through history (and even many today) haven’t had the opportunity to access education, and in many cases it’s been directly prohibited.

Moreover, the average person, lives with luxuries the kings and emperors of old would have envied. Hot and cold running water, flush toilets, furnaces and even air conditioners, stoves that you turn on with a knob, electric lights, cars, microwaves, phones, televisions, etc.

We can’t make life fair. Even if we confiscated everyone’s money and reallocated it, how do you do that fairly? Do you apportion it by individual or family? What about those who have needs making it harder for them to earn money but giving them greater expenses. How do you balance those who are careful/lucky with those who aren’t. We’ve plenty of examples where even financial “experts” and institutions make huge financial blunders. Certainly individuals are not immune from their own financial mishaps, possibly as victims of the aforementioned institutions.

It’s a flawed world, made up of flawed individuals, and fate/luck/divine providence (whatever you want to call it) introduces a random element that we are utterly incapable of controlling. There is no fair. However, compared to most of the world today or through history, modern Americans aren’t starting on 3rd, we already won the game just by being here. If you’re still not convinced, try asking the immigrants who risk their lives to come here, starting with absolute nothing, knowing that their lack of legal status means that even if they make it here, they’ll have less opportunity and more risk than citizens, but still come by the thousands.

Yes, we should work together to tackle the many problems we have, and to help those who need help. But “fair“ is unachievable and a distraction from the real work to be done. There will always be someone with “more” and someone with “less” whatever yardstick you use, and they’re all inherently flawed. Comparisons only build resentment and don’t fix anything. Let’s focus on fixing what we can to actually help people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an UMC family, private education, elite colleges, and yes, I worked extremely hard for what I have now.

Why are you bothered by it?

I can also tell you, from watching my peers grow up, regardless of background those who worked the hardest also got the most out of life. I can also tell, from my professional background, the amount of work people put into their career has a direct relationship with their successes.

Life is not and will never be fair. It's not fair some people seem to suffer more easily from addiction. It's not fair some families have terrible abuse problems. It's not fair to be born to limited circumstances without ingrained knowledge how to make the most out of your decisions. It's not fair to born with limited aptitude. But what does it have to do with other people's successes and accomplishments? Why should I be blamed for it, somehow, or be told to check my privilege? Such a thing is actually distinctly unfair.

The sooner you realize this and stop making judgments and blaming others and making peace with your own situation, the better off you will be. It is not really my problem other people are not successful nor more than it is a problem there are others much more financially successful than I am. Broadly speaking, most people end up with an outcome that does largely correspond with the actions of their decisions and their capabilties. No one is not a senior vice president at a major corporation because of institutional racism or structural dysfunctionalism in whatever. We just have a culture of grievance that has too many people thinking somehow they are oppressed and their failures are can be blamed on others.


Just don't lie about where your down payment came from, ok?


Why are you even asking people where their down payment came from? That’s just weird. I’ve never had anyone ask me that other than the bank that gave us our mortgage.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can be born privileged and also work hard. The two are not mutually exclusive


Of course. You can also be born NOT privileged, work even harder, and wind up with a lot less.

That's why it's obnoxious for people to emphasize their hard work as the reason for their success and glide right over an inheritance or a job they got through nepotism or even the gift of graduating from school debt free due to parent contributions or being able to live at home. Hard work alone is not enough for most people.


“People” or a specific person, OP? This sounds very personal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because its as hard as they worked and thats all they know. Most of us are blind to our own privileges. My parents are immigrants from eastern Europe. Came with nothing and a kid at 35. But they also had free PHD educations that were able to be translated and used as credentials, foreign language skills, a community they tapped into for support and they are white. Very different than immigrants from subsistence farming villages in central america for example. They all work hard but started with very different decks of cards.

I had high school diploma when I came here from EE. I spoke 4 languages when I arrived and learned Spanish in one year thank to knowing a few before.
I did work hard, but people treated me like I was so special somehow. I was hired every time I applied for a job. I was offered jobs several times while I was working, and I had even been offered a job while I was shopping. I also got an apartment while I had no credit. I was told that I do. My friend told me that my credit was being white and I took notice.
By the way, my super power disappears when I go to Europe. I comes back when I get off the plane in US.
Anonymous
The original gist of this thread reminded me of a 45 year old man I met at his parent’s beach house. He talked about how people that do manual labor shouldn’t complain about hard work because “I worked hard too. I was up til MIDNIGHT studying when I was at the (lower-ranked Ivy League school) library.”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an UMC family, private education, elite colleges, and yes, I worked extremely hard for what I have now.

Why are you bothered by it?

I can also tell you, from watching my peers grow up, regardless of background those who worked the hardest also got the most out of life. I can also tell, from my professional background, the amount of work people put into their career has a direct relationship with their successes.

Life is not and will never be fair. It's not fair some people seem to suffer more easily from addiction. It's not fair some families have terrible abuse problems. It's not fair to be born to limited circumstances without ingrained knowledge how to make the most out of your decisions. It's not fair to born with limited aptitude. But what does it have to do with other people's successes and accomplishments? Why should I be blamed for it, somehow, or be told to check my privilege? Such a thing is actually distinctly unfair.

The sooner you realize this and stop making judgments and blaming others and making peace with your own situation, the better off you will be. It is not really my problem other people are not successful nor more than it is a problem there are others much more financially successful than I am. Broadly speaking, most people end up with an outcome that does largely correspond with the actions of their decisions and their capabilties. No one is not a senior vice president at a major corporation because of institutional racism or structural dysfunctionalism in whatever. We just have a culture of grievance that has too many people thinking somehow they are oppressed and their failures are can be blamed on others.


Just don't lie about where your down payment came from, ok?


Who do you hang out with where people discuss where they got the downpayment for their home?!?!?!

I'm in my 50s and have never had that conversation with any of our friends. That would just be weird and annoying. Who cares?


This is a good point. Most people are not focused in that way about others. I've never felt frustration with someone else's finances or how they present them.
I wonder if op is expecting others to freely disclose their finances or of they're directly asking for the info


OP expects handouts, and yes, financial disclosures from people, too. GMAFB.

OP, you have no idea who was born on third base and who was the furthest from it.
Anonymous
You people are sooo pathetic. I wasn’t even born on a base. I was a foster kid and aged out. My mother was a drug addicted prostitutes and my father is of unknown origin. I was very lucky to be part of a program that allowed me to go to college for free. I graduated school in 1998 and have always worked my ass off. Just filed my taxes and I brought in 327,000 in 2022. I married a man born on 3rd and YOU BET we are going give our kids the world and they don’t own any of you colossal losers an explanation of where their good fortune came from.
Anonymous
If you were born in the U.S. you’re already on third base.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of Brett Kavanaugh: I worked my @ass off!


Um, by all accounts, he actually was hard-working and talented – he didn’t just land on the United States Supreme Court by accident. Same could be said for Trump – sure he started on third base, but by any measure was nonetheless very accomplished (galvanizing half the country to become POTUS, hello??).

Born on third and working hard are not mutually exclusive.


The point is don't lie. If you got help say so.


We all get help in some capacity. Some people from families, others get it from the government. Stop counting other people’s’ wallets and MYOB.
Anonymous
People are awfully defensive here about getting help. Most people don't have it and their lives are harder. Sorry. People born on third truly do have it easier, financially. Maybe that hurts to hear. But ... it's true!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an UMC family, private education, elite colleges, and yes, I worked extremely hard for what I have now.

Why are you bothered by it?

I can also tell you, from watching my peers grow up, regardless of background those who worked the hardest also got the most out of life. I can also tell, from my professional background, the amount of work people put into their career has a direct relationship with their successes.

Life is not and will never be fair. It's not fair some people seem to suffer more easily from addiction. It's not fair some families have terrible abuse problems. It's not fair to be born to limited circumstances without ingrained knowledge how to make the most out of your decisions. It's not fair to born with limited aptitude. But what does it have to do with other people's successes and accomplishments? Why should I be blamed for it, somehow, or be told to check my privilege? Such a thing is actually distinctly unfair.

The sooner you realize this and stop making judgments and blaming others and making peace with your own situation, the better off you will be. It is not really my problem other people are not successful nor more than it is a problem there are others much more financially successful than I am. Broadly speaking, most people end up with an outcome that does largely correspond with the actions of their decisions and their capabilties. No one is not a senior vice president at a major corporation because of institutional racism or structural dysfunctionalism in whatever. We just have a culture of grievance that has too many people thinking somehow they are oppressed and their failures are can be blamed on others.


This attitude bothers me and I am married to someone who claimed he never went to an elite prep school even though he went to Exteter (THE elite prep school) and that he got into Harvard on his own merits even though he is a legacy. You worked hard, but you started on third. Just imagine for a second if you started on first and you worked as hard as you did... you might have ended up on third. You are def. a nepo baby!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:People are awfully defensive here about getting help. Most people don't have it and their lives are harder. Sorry. People born on third truly do have it easier, financially. Maybe that hurts to hear. But ... it's true!


American citizens are all on third.
Anonymous
Reminds me of the college kids on Twitter getting jealous that their classmates don’t work or work part-time, and that those kids are getting their rent paid for by parents. I mean…wasn’t that obvious? Do they think the average 20 year old has $16k/year of their own money lying around?

This is why you don’t discuss money. People get offended and confused easily, and don’t understand nuance.
Anonymous
Eek. Op, if you are really this negative, you should get a lot of therapy asap.
Anonymous
It's not that people ask others where their down payments come from. I get annoyed when career gurus or influencers talk about how to get ahead when their recommendations assume you have a trust fund or a rich spouse. Or that "quitting" was the best thing they could have done, etc. OK fine, but if you're going to be open about your choices, be open about what allowed you to make those choices. Don't tell half the story.
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