For high stats applying to yield-protecting schools, go TO or submit lower single sitting?

[Anonymous]

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It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

I was thinking the same. Ivy admits are rare no matter the score. 1590 isn't a pass to Ivies non Asian or Asian. I get so sick of this discrimination accusation by people who placed too much value on a test.

And, what did any of this have to do with OP's question? Some people are so hung up on themselves.

She didn't allege discrimination really, merely stated the basic information one would need to know including the pros and the cons. She stated it all rather matter of factly - being Asian and being from a competitive high school were headwinds. Just as being black or Hispanic and being from a rural or inner city high school would be positive. It's all relevant context.

But it's interesting how quick you are to attack her for merely stating the applicant was Asian. If she wrote non-URM or white you probably would not have thought twice. You white liberals get so triggered when Asians complain that they are being mistreated or speak up at all. They need to sit there and shut the *** up right? Know their place?

You need to reread her post. She did allege discrimination with stating that being Asian was a "drawback." You are bringing a lot of baggage to the conversation. It is inaccurate, biased and irrelevant to OP's post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

I was thinking the same. Ivy admits are rare no matter the score. 1590 isn't a pass to Ivies non Asian or Asian. I get so sick of this discrimination accusation by people who placed too much value on a test.

And, what did any of this have to do with OP's question? Some people are so hung up on themselves.

She didn't allege discrimination really, merely stated the basic information one would need to know including the pros and the cons. She stated it all rather matter of factly - being Asian and being from a competitive high school were headwinds. Just as being black or Hispanic and being from a rural or inner city high school would be positive. It's all relevant context.

But it's interesting how quick you are to attack her for merely stating the applicant was Asian. If she wrote non-URM or white you probably would not have thought twice. You white liberals get so triggered when Asians complain that they are being mistreated or speak up at all. They need to sit there and shut the *** up right? Know their place?

You need to reread her post. She did allege discrimination with stating that being Asian was a "drawback." You are bringing a lot of baggage to the conversation. It is inaccurate, biased and irrelevant to OP's post.

I think the post was a little off topic but she stated something that is really just a fact of life in admissions. Your race matters--there is no ambiguity about that--and being Asian is the worst case scenario. She was providing the most important details of the kid's application. You just flipped out because of the implication that Asians have a harder time with acceptances than other groups. Which seems to be a form of "white fragility" that is pervasive among white libs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

Op here. This. And as noted in my original post, this doesn’t even apply to my kid. I just thought it was an interesting question. But only a few people on here were able to keep up with the conversation.

[Anonymous]

I heard of people last year with high test scores going TO at Michigan to avoid yield protection. I don’t know how many or if people did it again this year, but it makes sense at schools known for yield protection.

[Anonymous]

I wished my son had tried TO at Case Western.

And no, I don't think my kid is special, but when you see kids with way lower grades, less course rigor, and way way lower scores getting in you have to wonder what's going on.

[Anonymous]

I think the post was a little off topic but she stated something that is really just a fact of life in admissions. Your race matters--there is no ambiguity about that--and being Asian is the worst case scenario. She was providing the most important details of the kid's application. You just flipped out because of the implication that Asians have a harder time with acceptances than other groups. Which seems to be a form of "white fragility" that is pervasive among white libs.

I just have a hard time when a poster from any ethnic group claims discrimination, but then lists their DC "got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC." Come on, read the room. Additionally, the post has no connection to OP's question. OP, it is an interesting idea, but not one I would use with every school, and I would always wonder if not submitting the score backfired if DC was WL or denied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think the post was a little off topic but she stated something that is really just a fact of life in admissions. Your race matters--there is no ambiguity about that--and being Asian is the worst case scenario. She was providing the most important details of the kid's application. You just flipped out because of the implication that Asians have a harder time with acceptances than other groups. Which seems to be a form of "white fragility" that is pervasive among white libs.

I just have a hard time when a poster from any ethnic group claims discrimination, but then lists their DC "got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC." Come on, read the room. Additionally, the post has no connection to OP's question. OP, it is an interesting idea, but not one I would use with every school, and I would always wonder if not submitting the score backfired if DC was WL or denied.

I hear the point. #victim #Amherst2027

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wished my son had tried TO at Case Western.

And no, I don't think my kid is special, but when you see kids with way lower grades, less course rigor, and way way lower scores getting in you have to wonder what's going on.

+1 same for northeastern

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard of people last year with high test scores going TO at Michigan to avoid yield protection. I don’t know how many or if people did it again this year, but it makes sense at schools known for yield protection.

Did not realize Michigan, thought it is a lower tier (outside T25) private school thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

I was thinking the same. Ivy admits are rare no matter the score. 1590 isn't a pass to Ivies non Asian or Asian. I get so sick of this discrimination accusation by people who placed too much value on a test.

And, what did any of this have to do with OP's question? Some people are so hung up on themselves.

She didn't allege discrimination really, merely stated the basic information one would need to know including the pros and the cons. She stated it all rather matter of factly - being Asian and being from a competitive high school were headwinds. Just as being black or Hispanic and being from a rural or inner city high school would be positive. It's all relevant context.

But it's interesting how quick you are to attack her for merely stating the applicant was Asian. If she wrote non-URM or white you probably would not have thought twice. You white liberals get so triggered when Asians complain that they are being mistreated or speak up at all. They need to sit there and shut the *** up right? Know their place?

I get this. Yet DD’s BFF rejected ED1 @ an Ivy and ED2 @ a top SLAC with a 36 across the board ACT, 4 800 SAT subjects in last year to submit, 4.0 u/w GPA in most rigorous classes @ top private, good ECs, and published science research. Probably top student in a school that doesn’t rank. Is this mistreatment?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

I've wondered the same thing, but as a pp mentioned, that should maybe be school specific and only if the kid's application is stellar otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

Selingo book discusses LTE. Likelihood to Enroll that colleges factor in in determining whether to admit an applicant. He discusses the importance of yields to colleges at length.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

Selingo book discusses LTE. Likelihood to Enroll that colleges factor in in determining whether to admit an applicant. He discusses the importance of yields to colleges at length.

Here’s a quote:

“ In a tsunami of applicants who are qualified on the surface, what matters at this point are the elements that differentiate students, or if they are particularly good overall, the chances they will ultimately choose Davidson—what admissions officers call LTE (likelihood to enroll). It’s an acronym used frequently in discussions during regular decision. The more admissions officers dissect an applicant’s intentions now, the better they’ll fare in April when multiple schools are competing for the attention of the students they accepted. It’s another way a college’s agenda—in this case keeping its yield rate up—shapes admissions decisions.”