For high stats applying to yield-protecting schools, go TO or submit lower single sitting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

Merit aid would not be impacted. You can amend you application AFTER you have been accepted to get the higher SATs counted towards merit. My kid didn’t take his score intentionally, but did get a better score after his apps were in (took them again in December of his senior year) and resubmitted the higher score for more merit.

Your suggestion is a ballsy move. I doubt anyone would do it, but it’s an idea.

[Anonymous]

This is a pretty interesting idea, but if you are a high stats kid you probably don't really want to go to any yield protecting school, and I wouldn't want to play into this game. Why would you want to go somewhere that doesn't accept the best available applicants? Save your ED for somewhere better and maybe just avoid these schools altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty interesting idea, but if you are a high stats kid you probably don't really want to go to any yield protecting school, and I wouldn't want to play into this game. Why would you want to go somewhere that doesn't accept the best available applicants? Save your ED for somewhere better and maybe just avoid these schools altogether.

I think this would typically be for safeties or maybe some targets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

Which of those yield protects?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

I recommend attending a small private or an inner city public school and applying to an early decision ivy instead of top three EA ivies.

[Anonymous]

The answer is demonstrated interest. Show them love and they will give you money and let you in. They defer and deny kids that treat them like a safety.

[Anonymous]

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

Which of those yield protects?

Schools like Vandy Rice and USC don't yield protect because they only let in the best students. Lower ranked schools yield protect because they assume a top notch applicant is probably going to get a lot of other offers and attend another school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

Which of those yield protects?

Schools like Vandy Rice and USC don't yield protect because they only let in the best students. Lower ranked schools yield protect because they assume a top notch applicant is probably going to get a lot of other offers and attend another school.

That’s what I assumed. So not sure I understand the point of their comment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

If it were me, I would just go hard with demonstrated interest. Emails to admissions officers, etc. Obviously campus visits.

Agree if the school considers DI. But if not?

I would think most schools keep tabs--because they all want the high stats kid at the end of the day

The larger and better ones do not because they don't have to - they get the applicant class they want. It takes time and resources to track demonstrated interest. If you are receiving 50,000 applications why would you do that?

[Anonymous]

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It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

I was thinking the same. Ivy admits are rare no matter the score. 1590 isn't a pass to Ivies non Asian or Asian. I get so sick of this discrimination accusation by people who placed too much value on a test.

And, what did any of this have to do with OP's question? Some people are so hung up on themselves.

[Anonymous]

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It doesn't matter, one of mine only took it once, scored 1590 but got waitlisted at all three Ivies he applied to. Everything else was top notch too. Only drawbacks were being Asian and attending a large hyper competitive suburban school. Fortunately, got into Amherst and merit scholarships offers from Vanderbilt, Rice and USC.

What does this have to do with the question OP asked? Your post is an odd mix of grievance (Asian discrimination) and not so humble brag.

I was thinking the same. Ivy admits are rare no matter the score. 1590 isn't a pass to Ivies non Asian or Asian. I get so sick of this discrimination accusation by people who placed too much value on a test.

And, what did any of this have to do with OP's question? Some people are so hung up on themselves.

She didn't allege discrimination really, merely stated the basic information one would need to know including the pros and the cons. She stated it all rather matter of factly - being Asian and being from a competitive high school were headwinds. Just as being black or Hispanic and being from a rural or inner city high school would be positive. It's all relevant context.

But it's interesting how quick you are to attack her for merely stating the applicant was Asian. If she wrote non-URM or white you probably would not have thought twice. You white liberals get so triggered when Asians complain that they are being mistreated or speak up at all. They need to sit there and shut the *** up right? Know their place?

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone done this? We see the 1550/35 scoring kids get deferred and waitlisted. Would it be a better approach to go TO or submit a lower single sitting score? My kid isn’t in this boat - but sometimes I see people on here having worse results with higher stats and wonder what people think of this approach? Of course, merit aid could be impacted but if your main goal is just admission. Any ethical reason not to do this?

If it were me, I would just go hard with demonstrated interest. Emails to admissions officers, etc. Obviously campus visits.

Agree if the school considers DI. But if not?

I would think most schools keep tabs--because they all want the high stats kid at the end of the day

The larger and better ones do not because they don't have to - they get the applicant class they want. It takes time and resources to track demonstrated interest. If you are receiving 50,000 applications why would you do that?

Okay but if a school is so great that it doesn't have time to track demonstrated interest, it also doesn't yield protect. It doesn't reject kids just because they get a 35.

[Anonymous]

OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.