Can students pay tuition to attend APS schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

And families who move around often or arrive after Kindergarten since it’s pretty hard to get a spot after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

actually it does. What makes the biggest difference to student achievement is parental involvement- there are lots of studies to support this. In general, income is a proxy for parental involvement- wealthier families tend to be more involved in their kids schooling. But its a proxy, its not a determinant in and of itself. There are also poor families or middle of the road families who are heavily involved in their kids schooling. ATS is a lottery school. You have to apply to get in. By definition, if you go to the trouble of applying, you are involved in your kids schooling.
Also- ATS actively discourages kids with some significant disabilities, like ADHD from applying for, or staying at the school- saying its not 'a good fit.' That also helps with their achievement.
The only other thing that ATS is really doing right is it embraced teaching phonics and never fell into the lucy calkins trap that the rest of APS plummeted into.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

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UMC S.Arlington residents who don’t want their child to attend their neighborhood base school, so they apply for the ATS lottery or go to private school if not chosen through the lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

actually it does. What makes the biggest difference to student achievement is parental involvement- there are lots of studies to support this. In general, income is a proxy for parental involvement- wealthier families tend to be more involved in their kids schooling. But its a proxy, its not a determinant in and of itself. There are also poor families or middle of the road families who are heavily involved in their kids schooling. ATS is a lottery school. You have to apply to get in. By definition, if you go to the trouble of applying, you are involved in your kids schooling.
Also- ATS actively discourages kids with some significant disabilities, like ADHD from applying for, or staying at the school- saying its not 'a good fit.' That also helps with their achievement.
The only other thing that ATS is really doing right is it embraced teaching phonics and never fell into the lucy calkins trap that the rest of APS plummeted into.

I haven’t looked at ATS scores compared to other option schools to see if they are comparable.
I do think that the stayed emphasis on behavior and character is a big factor. Parents who care about and emphasize those things at home are drawn to ATS. Same with homework, if you think it’s good and valuable for kids you’re likely to apply and spend extra time with your kid doing it. I am an ATS parent and definitely know a few kids who don’t meet the behavioral standards but it’s nowhere close to our old school or the schools where I have worked. FWIW there have been several SPED students in my child’s class. As a SPED teacher I do see how it wouldn’t always be a good fit but they do have a MIPPA class so they don’t “discourage” all kids with significant needs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

I guess I still think it would be valuable to offer a second program in Arlington if ELL kids are in included.

I mean in reality I think it should just be neighborhood schools, but once your offering options in a public school system, it’s not fair to make it so exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

actually it does. What makes the biggest difference to student achievement is parental involvement- there are lots of studies to support this. In general, income is a proxy for parental involvement- wealthier families tend to be more involved in their kids schooling. But its a proxy, its not a determinant in and of itself. There are also poor families or middle of the road families who are heavily involved in their kids schooling. ATS is a lottery school. You have to apply to get in. By definition, if you go to the trouble of applying, you are involved in your kids schooling.
Also- ATS actively discourages kids with some significant disabilities, like ADHD from applying for, or staying at the school- saying its not 'a good fit.' That also helps with their achievement.
The only other thing that ATS is really doing right is it embraced teaching phonics and never fell into the lucy calkins trap that the rest of APS plummeted into.

I haven’t looked at ATS scores compared to other option schools to see if they are comparable.
I do think that the stayed emphasis on behavior and character is a big factor. Parents who care about and emphasize those things at home are drawn to ATS. Same with homework, if you think it’s good and valuable for kids you’re likely to apply and spend extra time with your kid doing it. I am an ATS parent and definitely know a few kids who don’t meet the behavioral standards but it’s nowhere close to our old school or the schools where I have worked. FWIW there have been several SPED students in my child’s class. As a SPED teacher I do see how it wouldn’t always be a good fit but they do have a MIPPA class so they don’t “discourage” all kids with significant needs.

Thanks PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

I guess I still think it would be valuable to offer a second program in Arlington if ELL kids are in included.

I mean in reality I think it should just be neighborhood schools, but once you’re offering options in a public school system, it’s not fair to make it so exclusive.

It’s not exclusive in the sense that anyone who applied has a shot at getting in

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

I guess I still think it would be valuable to offer a second program in Arlington if ELL kids are in included.

I mean in reality I think it should just be neighborhood schools, but once you’re offering options in a public school system, it’s not fair to make it so exclusive.

It’s not exclusive in the sense that anyone who applied has a shot at getting in

Understood but you’re still getting a private school experience in a public school system that’s not available to the majority of kids. It’s the #1 rates ES in the state. Even other APS option schools aren’t rated nearly as high, so it’s more than just “involved parents.” If something’s working this well, APS should make it more widely available. Why would anyone disagree with this?

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

I guess I still think it would be valuable to offer a second program in Arlington if ELL kids are in included.

I mean in reality I think it should just be neighborhood schools, but once you’re offering options in a public school system, it’s not fair to make it so exclusive.

It’s not exclusive in the sense that anyone who applied has a shot at getting in

Understood but you’re still getting a private school experience in a public school system that’s not available to the majority of kids. It’s the #1 rates ES in the state. Even other APS option schools aren’t rated nearly as high, so it’s more than just “involved parents.” If something’s working this well, APS should make it more widely available. Why would anyone disagree with this?

Because most Arlington parents don’t want homework.

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Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would you want to?

You can in Falls Church City but I want to say it was $17k when we looked into it.

You pick the school?

Have you looked at FCC? There’s only one school for each level. No you don’t get to pick.

Well, they want to go to a better school than FCPS, so why would they look at Falls Church City?

You do realize FCPS and FCC are completely different school systems. FCC is better than all 3 of the neighboring systems.

Yes I do and no it isn’t. Much like a private school, it’s successful because it’s small, rich and exclusive to families who have the means to make it successful, not because the schools are great.

I generally agree but did you know the #1 public elementary school in all of Virginia is Arlington Traditional, with a 30 percent FARMS rate? It’s closing the achievement gap and it’s a lottery school. So presumably all parents have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery, but that’s it. It’s better than the “rich” schools in North Arlington.

I have no idea what they are doing but I wish schools would try and duplicate it.

Keeping out families who don’t have the wherewithal to apply for the lottery.

That still doesn’t explain why it would perform better than a “rich” school like the ones people are discussing upthread. The school deserves some credit.

The families may not all be rich, but 100% of them give a d@mn about their child’s education. They can try to replicate it elsewhere, but it may not be as successful. You can’t make people care.

But the waitlist could form a whole school. Don’t you think you could start up a second ATS (if APS resources weren’t an issue) and the school would succeed? If the theories on this board are right about parental involvement and wherewithal to sign up?

I don’t understand what a school like this isn’t duplicated given the interest, unless resources are the issue.

Also- can I assume ELL kids can’t apply? Given what has been stated above? So that would be part of it?

34% of ATS students receive ELL support. I don’t know the WIDA breakdown though, I’d assume fewer level 1-2

I guess I still think it would be valuable to offer a second program in Arlington if ELL kids are in included.

I mean in reality I think it should just be neighborhood schools, but once you’re offering options in a public school system, it’s not fair to make it so exclusive.

It’s not exclusive in the sense that anyone who applied has a shot at getting in

Understood but you’re still getting a private school experience in a public school system that’s not available to the majority of kids. It’s the #1 rates ES in the state. Even other APS option schools aren’t rated nearly as high, so it’s more than just “involved parents.” If something’s working this well, APS should make it more widely available. Why would anyone disagree with this?

Because most Arlington parents don’t want homework.

Gotcha. So you think the interest isn’t there. To me the waitlist looks like they could support a second school for those that want it.

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Keep in mind there are plenty of lottery elementary schools which have richer demographics and yet perform worse than ATS. The lottery can't explain away everything unless every lottery school is on-par with ATS, which isn't the case.