Big state schools - lot of fun, great networks, but do you really learn there?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

Oh, so this wasn’t academic fraud back in 1990?

The point was, what was required seemed to be a joke versus what was required from me. That left an impression. My own moral imperfections are a private matter between myself and the lord.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Nope. You would have mentioned that in your initial post if that were the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Even more unimpressed not that I believe you.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Even more unimpressed not that I believe you.

Because Ivy Leaguers are universally known for unimpeachable ethics?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Nope. You would have mentioned that in your initial post if that were the case.

I said “midsized elite private.” Limited possibilities there

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Nope. You would have mentioned that in your initial post if that were the case.

I said “midsized elite private.” Limited possibilities there

Not at all. Duke, Stanford, Vandy, U Chicago, etc. I think what’s limited is your intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Even more unimpressed not that I believe you.

Because Ivy Leaguers are universally known for unimpeachable ethics?

No because you remind me of a 15w lightbulb.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Nope. You would have mentioned that in your initial post if that were the case.

I said “midsized elite private.” Limited possibilities there

Not at all. Duke, Stanford, Vandy, U Chicago, etc. I think what’s limited is your intelligence.

Yes I was being vague but those schools are all Ivy equivalents more or less so who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.

Lol not SLAC. Ivy and not low Ivy. 😏

Even more unimpressed not that I believe you.

Because Ivy Leaguers are universally known for unimpeachable ethics?

No because you remind me of a 15w lightbulb.

And I got in purely for academics.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

I went to Florida. I had some huge classes to start in things like math and history, but many of my classes had about 30 kids. And in my major, it was more like 20

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

What?

Of course.

I can not believe an adult is asking this question.

You get out of it what you put in.

How do you think kids pass tests by no knowledge or graduate with no knowledge?

UF 50,000 students yes most graduate having learned. OMG.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

I went to Florida. I had some huge classes to start in things like math and history, but many of my classes had about 30 kids. And in my major, it was more like 20

Did you learn? Or were you able to skate through?

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I went to UMD for engineering. Got a very decent and hard education in my major with smaller seminars of 20 people junior and senior year. I took additional coursework in history and languages. We hire from large state schools for tech and the kids that do well usually have taken a lot of extra math and physics in addition to the requires engineering coursework. Ive been impressed with those we hired. Not all can write well but that's pretty common for engineers in general no matter the school.

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Same as any other college.

The more competitive colleges are likely to have a cohort that puts more into it overall, but that’s it

You could be a superstar at one of those larger places, if you work harder than everyone else.

This is the right answer.