Big state schools - lot of fun, great networks, but do you really learn there?

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Anonymous wrote:Not all classes at state universities are huge. You get to know the professors in your program, in student organizations, etc. There are many opportunities for connecting with faculty and getting individualized attention. You take smaller seminars. And if you think students at state flagships are producing "high school level work," you are crazy. You have to be more of a self-starter, in some ways; no one is spoon-feeding you this stuff, but the opportunities are there, and plentiful.

+1. Surprisingly good answer. Op, I am not sure if you are genuine or just trolling.

I am genuine. I perhaps was a little too provocative with my imagining of the worst case scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all classes at state universities are huge. You get to know the professors in your program, in student organizations, etc. There are many opportunities for connecting with faculty and getting individualized attention. You take smaller seminars. And if you think students at state flagships are producing "high school level work," you are crazy. You have to be more of a self-starter, in some ways; no one is spoon-feeding you this stuff, but the opportunities are there, and plentiful.

+1. Surprisingly good answer. Op, I am not sure if you are genuine or just trolling.

I am genuine. I perhaps was a little too provocative with my imagining of the worst case scenario.

No hand holding though. if a kid wants to party and fail, it's his call. if he wants to research, study and do well, everything is there for him to do that. some of the research at R1 unis can't be matched @ slac or small private unis

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I think that PP was just trolling.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Lol @ intellectual growth. You don’t sound very impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Lol @ intellectual growth. You don’t sound very impressive.

I made one snarky comment, geez

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

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I do a lot of hiring, and generally find that the big state college kids are scrappierband much better in many ways than Ivy and SLAC grads.

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

Oh, so this wasn’t academic fraud back in 1990?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Don’t think so but what do you think?

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Anonymous wrote:Asking genuinely. They just seem so large and impersonal. The credential may be great but is the educational experience comparable to what one might have at a top private school? I attended a midsized elite private and suspect the educational experience I had is more similar to a smaller LAC. But when you go to Michigan or Florida or Wisconsin, is anyone really cultivating your abilities? Evaluating your written work carefully? Small seminars? Or is it more like watching good Ted talks and then handing something in (and then getting an A because most of the kids are in staters producing high school level work). Interested in perspectives on this from state u grads.

Sorry, OP. When your idiotic bias is front and center, as yours clearly is, I have no interest in wasting my time with a substantive answer. Frankly, you don’t deserve one.

Ok, this is my experience. I was staying with my friend at prestigious state u and he paid me $50 in the 1990s to write a paper for him. I cranked it out in an hour and he got an A+. It was B- ish work at Ivy League. Ever since then I’ve tended to think state u was bs.

So you helped someone cheat, and YOU have the moral high ground? You are not a good person, OP.

I never claimed I was a good person. I am just curious if I send my kid to state u will he have the same kind of intellectual growth experience I did, with professors giving me direct feedback on my papers, etc. I want my kid to have a good credential but it won’t be bad either if he grew along the way.

Maybe be a little more concerned about integrity, both yours and your son’s.

It was literally 1990. I’m sorry.

No expiration date stamp on integrity

I needed the money, to buy beer. Does that make it better?

Unimpressed if this is what SLACs turn out.