Worth it's own post: The Harvard-Westlake college matriculation data!!

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

They may have applied there, but they weren’t going to go if admitted. They know that. UNC knows that. HW knows that. Can we stop with the delusions here?

Again, the OOS acceptance rate for UNC is 8.2 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys seen this?
It's the matriculation data for unhooked kids from Harvard Westlake.
It's REALLY interesting.

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf

A couple of thoughts:
--Their GPAs seem to be a touch higher than those at DC privates. Many kids are applying with above a 3.8. Very few are applying with below a 3.4. Our DC private has almost no kids with a 3.8+

That said, the Ivies have a pretty strict GPA cut-off of about 3.8. Still lots of lower kids trying to apply without luck. I can totally see this at our private "my kid is special! they can get into an Ivy with a 3.6!!" Um. NO
Other schools like NYU, Georgetown, Tufts seem to love HW kids.

If I had to guess, it's that the kid with the highest scores, the ones with shots at "reachy" schools, are applying to lots of schools. So the fact that there are more applications from students in that range doesn't mean there are more students in that range.

Yes, I don’t think the conclusion about GPAs is a reasonable one.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

They may have applied there, but they weren’t going to go if admitted. They know that. UNC knows that. HW knows that. Can we stop with the delusions here?

Again, the OOS acceptance rate for UNC is 8.2 percent.

Sure. And none of those kids were going to go to UNC. It was the “cast a wide net” approach that a lot of kids do.

You don’t seem very familiar with the population of HW.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

I agree that list is not any better than well-regarded DC privates.

Except for the huge NYU cohort

And other schools, such as UNC as mentioned upthread, DC private kids do better. I would still argue, as a whole, those lists are pretty on par with the most well regarded DC privates.

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I wonder what exactly they classify as unhooked. At HW these numbers could be the same 100 or so students casting a huge net.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

They may have applied there, but they weren’t going to go if admitted. They know that. UNC knows that. HW knows that. Can we stop with the delusions here?

Again, the OOS acceptance rate for UNC is 8.2 percent.

Sure. And none of those kids were going to go to UNC. It was the “cast a wide net” approach that a lot of kids do.

You don’t seem very familiar with the population of HW.

There's no arguing with someone who stubbornly insists in the face of actual contrary data that their opinion means fact. Your statement that none of the 26 applicants in the last three years who applied to UNC got in is only because of yield protection is unknowable opinion. The FACT is that given UNC's OOS acceptance rate had more than 2 of the 26 gotten in HW would be ahead of the curve.

I have zero connection to UNC and don't give a flying fig about the school but the idea that it has to reject everyone from HW to protect its yield is preposterous and arrogant as well as completely unprovable.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

I agree that list is not any better than well-regarded DC privates.

Except for the huge NYU cohort

And other schools, such as UNC as mentioned upthread, DC private kids do better. I would still argue, as a whole, those lists are pretty on par with the most well regarded DC privates.

But you don’t know the unhooked numbers for DC privates. So you are comparing a list of unhooked HW to a whole class for the DC privates. I do not know how you can’t say that at all.

It is a credit to HW that they get so many unhooked kids into NYU, though. That I agree with.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, rich kids do fine OP, even if they are mediocre students or people

Rich Big 3 person here. It’s “its”

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My mediocrity what done it

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

I agree that list is not any better than well-regarded DC privates.

Except for the huge NYU cohort

And other schools, such as UNC as mentioned upthread, DC private kids do better. I would still argue, as a whole, those lists are pretty on par with the most well regarded DC privates.

But you don’t know the unhooked numbers for DC privates. So you are comparing a list of unhooked HW to a whole class for the DC privates. I do not know how you can’t say that at all.

It is a credit to HW that they get so many unhooked kids into NYU, though. That I agree with.

I don’t think we really know the unhooked number from HW. They took out athletes and legacy (and I am sort of suspect on the legacy… I can’t believe there is not more legacy at HW). It is easy to back out athletes at DC schools.

They would argue their NYU is like 11 boys to Chicago from STA. I am not saying HW is unimpressive just that there isn’t that big a difference compared to Sidwell/GDS and Cathedral schools.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some interesting yield protections in there - assuming you go by GPA alone as the standard.

Duke and Northwestern were very yield protective, which I already knew anecdotally but is interesting to actually see the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you guys seen this?
It's the matriculation data for unhooked kids from Harvard Westlake.
It's REALLY interesting.

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf

A couple of thoughts:
--Their GPAs seem to be a touch higher than those at DC privates. Many kids are applying with above a 3.8. Very few are applying with below a 3.4. Our DC private has almost no kids with a 3.8+

That said, the Ivies have a pretty strict GPA cut-off of about 3.8. Still lots of lower kids trying to apply without luck. I can totally see this at our private "my kid is special! they can get into an Ivy with a 3.6!!" Um. NO
Other schools like NYU, Georgetown, Tufts seem to love HW kids.

Schools love rich kids (and HW is LA rich, which is a very different thing from DC rich) and kids with celebrity parents. A full pay dullard with a dad who is a well known producer is getting into NYU

This. I went to Brown and the HW kids had world famous parents.

Either that or they had average parents but were famous themselves. I had a friend in college who was a HW kid with average parents, but the kid herself was a professional performer and not like bit parts or off broadway but like major parts on Broadway and London stage and films.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what exactly they classify as unhooked. At HW these numbers could be the same 100 or so students casting a huge net.

HW senior class is only 250-300 kids, and they do have a decent number of athletes in that number.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

They may have applied there, but they weren’t going to go if admitted. They know that. UNC knows that. HW knows that. Can we stop with the delusions here?

Again, the OOS acceptance rate for UNC is 8.2 percent.

Sure. And none of those kids were going to go to UNC. It was the “cast a wide net” approach that a lot of kids do.

You don’t seem very familiar with the population of HW.

There's no arguing with someone who stubbornly insists in the face of actual contrary data that their opinion means fact. Your statement that none of the 26 applicants in the last three years who applied to UNC got in is only because of yield protection is unknowable opinion. The FACT is that given UNC's OOS acceptance rate had more than 2 of the 26 gotten in HW would be ahead of the curve.

I have zero connection to UNC and don't give a flying fig about the school but the idea that it has to reject everyone from HW to protect its yield is preposterous and arrogant as well as completely unprovable.

It’s so weird how east coast centric you are. You can’t imagine a world where UNC — a great school, no question — is not at the top of all students’ lists. But that world can and does exist.

My guess is that these numbers are actually reflective of a small number of individuals who have applied widely. Many if not most students at HW will have some sort of hook, whether it’s legacy, athlete, donor, etc. So those kids who are left have to widely apply. They don’t have a choice. And they are probably pretty competitive students, but in current admissions cycles, they can’t constrain their applications. And schools know that about HW. You seem to be taking the idea that a kid from California might not be truly interested in UNC extremely personally, and I don’t know why. It’s fine that kids from California might not have UNC as their top choice, and it’s also fine that UNC might recognize that.

The east coast bias on this board is so crazy sometimes. It isn’t the center of the world to everyone, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder what exactly they classify as unhooked. At HW these numbers could be the same 100 or so students casting a huge net.

HW senior class is only 250-300 kids, and they do have a decent number of athletes in that number.

And definitely a lot of legacies.

My guess is that these numbers are about 100-150 individuals max.