Worth it's own post: The Harvard-Westlake college matriculation data!!

[Anonymous]

I'll tell you what's interesting about it. It certainly puts to bed the ridiculous notion by so many anti-UVA posters that outside of the DMV UVA is simply considered just another state school. In the last three years, 62 unhooked graduates of one of the most prestigious private schools on the west coast applied to UVA and only 12 got in, while at that same school only 3 applied to UMD and two got in.

The only state colleges outside of California attracting more applicants from Harvard-Westlake than UVA were Michigan (which had double UVA's acceptance rate) and Wisconsin (where virtually everyone got in, suggesting it's a Michigan safety).

[Anonymous]

Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you guys seen this?
It's the matriculation data for unhooked kids from Harvard Westlake.
It's REALLY interesting.

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf

A couple of thoughts:
--Their GPAs seem to be a touch higher than those at DC privates. Many kids are applying with above a 3.8. Very few are applying with below a 3.4. Our DC private has almost no kids with a 3.8+

That said, the Ivies have a pretty strict GPA cut-off of about 3.8. Still lots of lower kids trying to apply without luck. I can totally see this at our private "my kid is special! they can get into an Ivy with a 3.6!!" Um. NO
Other schools like NYU, Georgetown, Tufts seem to love HW kids.

The unhooked kids are removed, so GPAs will be higher. I suspect the average is lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

I agree that list is not any better than well-regarded DC privates.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

I agree that list is not any better than well-regarded DC privates.

Except for the huge NYU cohort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you guys seen this?
It's the matriculation data for unhooked kids from Harvard Westlake.
It's REALLY interesting.

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf

A couple of thoughts:
--Their GPAs seem to be a touch higher than those at DC privates. Many kids are applying with above a 3.8. Very few are applying with below a 3.4. Our DC private has almost no kids with a 3.8+

That said, the Ivies have a pretty strict GPA cut-off of about 3.8. Still lots of lower kids trying to apply without luck. I can totally see this at our private "my kid is special! they can get into an Ivy with a 3.6!!" Um. NO
Other schools like NYU, Georgetown, Tufts seem to love HW kids.

Schools love rich kids (and HW is LA rich, which is a very different thing from DC rich) and kids with celebrity parents. A full pay dullard with a dad who is a well known producer is getting into NYU

This. People in DC don't understand that privates in other major cities have kids whose parents or on an entirely different level. DC's privates are full of kids whose parents are BigLaw partners, often people coming from family money, plus a handful of truly powerful and connected people (politicians, some founders/CEOs). That impresses people in DC to some degree but elsewhere peopel don't care. Ivies don't care. Schools like NYU don't care. Georgetown doesn't even care!

Everyone cares when your parent is a celebrity, tech giant, upper echelon producer, or high up in finance. You can mostly go wherever you want. The HW kids attending NYU could have gone to Harvard or Brown or Stanford -- they wanted to be in NYC. Often these kids don't want to go to the most prestigious school because (1) why, they don't need it, and (2) it will put them in the company of a bunch of UMC striver competitive kids and that doesn't sound fun to them. Even the studious, bookish ones recognize that they don't really need Standford's stamp of approval, and will instead look for a school that feels like a really good personality fit.

In some ways the smart kids at HW can apply to school the way everyone should -- not worrying about prestige or competition and just finding a college that will nurture their interests and has the kind of social scene and academic environment that appeals to them.

Most DC people understand just fine. I don't think many understand that DC is as close to recession proof as it gets in the States. During the dot com boom there was Silicon Valley and guess who was #2-DMV. That's how the Dulles Corrider got built. This area is not about the glitz and glamour that LA pushes. It is far more intellectual. The amount of small companies here doing a few million a year is staggering. LA is no where close in that regard. It's not "sexy" but the slow and steady DC way produces a lot. DC may not have a lot of fame but it does have substance. Plus, when your parents are wealthy, you can do what you want for the most part.

No, I don't think they do. Most private school parents in the DMV actually work (hard) for their money. In cities like NY, LA, SF and others, it's a completely different thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

You are joking, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

You are joking, right?

PP may be right. UNC isn't a big school and out of state students are capped at a pretty low percentage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

You are joking, right?

The OOS acceptance rate to UNC for the most recent entering class was 8.2 percent. Show me a lower one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have you guys seen this?
It's the matriculation data for unhooked kids from Harvard Westlake.
It's REALLY interesting.

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/completehandbook2023.pdf

A couple of thoughts:
--Their GPAs seem to be a touch higher than those at DC privates. Many kids are applying with above a 3.8. Very few are applying with below a 3.4. Our DC private has almost no kids with a 3.8+

That said, the Ivies have a pretty strict GPA cut-off of about 3.8. Still lots of lower kids trying to apply without luck. I can totally see this at our private "my kid is special! they can get into an Ivy with a 3.6!!" Um. NO
Other schools like NYU, Georgetown, Tufts seem to love HW kids.

If I had to guess, it's that the kid with the highest scores, the ones with shots at "reachy" schools, are applying to lots of schools. So the fact that there are more applications from students in that range doesn't mean there are more students in that range.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah that list is interesting - with the exception of NYU there doesn't seem to be any huge advantage to HW. Really shocked that 26 applications to UNC netted 0 acceptances - what's going on there?? Or Stanford, wouldn't you think they'd have more than 7 acceptances out of 86 applications? Same with UVA, Princeton, MIT, Harvard - these numbers don't look out of line with what you'd expect from any HS.

Yield protection for UNC. They know HW kids aren’t going to attend.

Keep telling yourself that BS. UNC may very well be the most selective public school for OOS applicants in the country.

Why so defensive? It’s likely true. HW kids are not going to be interested in UNC, for the most part.

LA is not at all like DC. You sound provincial.

Look, moron, 26 kids from the school applied to UNC. So clearly somebody is interested.

They may have applied there, but they weren’t going to go if admitted. They know that. UNC knows that. HW knows that. Can we stop with the delusions here?