Stopped IF…losing weight?

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But there are benefits of fasting, even if 15/16 hours. Eating 9-6 is still plenty of time to eat.


Not saying there aren't benefits, but if you lose weight by "fasting"/skipping a meal then it is all due to reduction in calories not because you didn't eat for 16 hrs. If you you needs 2000 cal to maintain it's current weight then you could eat your those calories in 2 hrs, 8 hr, or 24 hours and guess what you will stay the same weight.

well, yes and no. Its also like saying calories are calories and it doesn'tmatter what you eat. We know now that's not true and different foods have different effects. Longer periods without food generally correlates to better insulin sensitivity which correlates to less fat storage. it can also help with hunger itself---once you get used to it, you realize that snacking all the time isnot necessary, maybe even adding to your hunger so if overeating is a problem then IF can be good.

many other health benefits accrue from reducing the number of times you eat a day, including/esp autophagy. I think a reasonable approach is that of Dr. Valter Longo, who encourages a 14 hour period (overnight really); a mediterranean diet, and occasional short fasts for autophagy purposes. Fasting essentially halts the production of IFG1, which is a growth signalling hormone--and that causes everything to grow, including tumors. This is why fasting is being studied in cancer patients. That being said, for most people most of the time there's not a huge benefit to fasting 18 hours versus 14. I do IF mainly because I have a low caloric need daily and prefer to get most of my calories in two meals rather than 3 plus a snack, which would limit me to 400 calorie meals.

Totally different point. Sure some calories have more nutritional benefits and will keep you full longer/make you feel better but at the end of the day a calorie is nothing more than a unit used to measure how much energy food give you. An apple can give you 100 cal of energy just like a piece of chocolate any energy not used from this food will be stored at fat.

Again not arguing that there can be health benefits to fasting but at the end of the day your body needs X calories to survive. If you eat that many you stay the same weight. if you eat too many you store that energy for later in the form of fat. If you eat too few calories you burn your energy stores.

Disagree with this. Go on a low carb diet. Eat more calories by eating mostly bacon, eggs and steak. You’ll lose weight rapidly and lose more and more. That diet alone proves that it’s not just calories in / calories out.

Lol. I can assure you I would have no problem at all to get fat on this diet. It's really not hard to overeat high calories foods. Dropping carbs is no magic bullet.

If you ate 3,000 pounds of only bacon you’d lose weight. Rapidly. Which proves it’s not just calories in / calories out. Of course that wouldn’t be healthy but you’d lose weight without carbs.

No, you would not and I hope you are just trolling. If not, I would strongly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit more on nutrition. I am currently cutting weight and have my carbs set at 235g per day. I have been consistently losing 1.5lbs of fat a week. And you know why? Because I am in a calorie deficit.

You actually would and you’d lose way more than 1.5 pounds a week!

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But there are benefits of fasting, even if 15/16 hours. Eating 9-6 is still plenty of time to eat.


Not saying there aren't benefits, but if you lose weight by "fasting"/skipping a meal then it is all due to reduction in calories not because you didn't eat for 16 hrs. If you you needs 2000 cal to maintain it's current weight then you could eat your those calories in 2 hrs, 8 hr, or 24 hours and guess what you will stay the same weight.

well, yes and no. Its also like saying calories are calories and it doesn'tmatter what you eat. We know now that's not true and different foods have different effects. Longer periods without food generally correlates to better insulin sensitivity which correlates to less fat storage. it can also help with hunger itself---once you get used to it, you realize that snacking all the time isnot necessary, maybe even adding to your hunger so if overeating is a problem then IF can be good.

many other health benefits accrue from reducing the number of times you eat a day, including/esp autophagy. I think a reasonable approach is that of Dr. Valter Longo, who encourages a 14 hour period (overnight really); a mediterranean diet, and occasional short fasts for autophagy purposes. Fasting essentially halts the production of IFG1, which is a growth signalling hormone--and that causes everything to grow, including tumors. This is why fasting is being studied in cancer patients. That being said, for most people most of the time there's not a huge benefit to fasting 18 hours versus 14. I do IF mainly because I have a low caloric need daily and prefer to get most of my calories in two meals rather than 3 plus a snack, which would limit me to 400 calorie meals.

Totally different point. Sure some calories have more nutritional benefits and will keep you full longer/make you feel better but at the end of the day a calorie is nothing more than a unit used to measure how much energy food give you. An apple can give you 100 cal of energy just like a piece of chocolate any energy not used from this food will be stored at fat.

Again not arguing that there can be health benefits to fasting but at the end of the day your body needs X calories to survive. If you eat that many you stay the same weight. if you eat too many you store that energy for later in the form of fat. If you eat too few calories you burn your energy stores.

Disagree with this. Go on a low carb diet. Eat more calories by eating mostly bacon, eggs and steak. You’ll lose weight rapidly and lose more and more. That diet alone proves that it’s not just calories in / calories out.

Lol. I can assure you I would have no problem at all to get fat on this diet. It's really not hard to overeat high calories foods. Dropping carbs is no magic bullet.

If you ate 3,000 pounds of only bacon you’d lose weight. Rapidly. Which proves it’s not just calories in / calories out. Of course that wouldn’t be healthy but you’d lose weight without carbs.

No, you would not and I hope you are just trolling. If not, I would strongly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit more on nutrition. I am currently cutting weight and have my carbs set at 235g per day. I have been consistently losing 1.5lbs of fat a week. And you know why? Because I am in a calorie deficit.

You actually would and you’d lose way more than 1.5 pounds a week!

Not of fat. At max you would lose some water due to the low carbs. But overeating bacon would definitely not be helpful to lose fat. I am more and more convinced you must be a troll, as I can’t really see how anyone would actually believe what you are saying.

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But there are benefits of fasting, even if 15/16 hours. Eating 9-6 is still plenty of time to eat.


Not saying there aren't benefits, but if you lose weight by "fasting"/skipping a meal then it is all due to reduction in calories not because you didn't eat for 16 hrs. If you you needs 2000 cal to maintain it's current weight then you could eat your those calories in 2 hrs, 8 hr, or 24 hours and guess what you will stay the same weight.

well, yes and no. Its also like saying calories are calories and it doesn'tmatter what you eat. We know now that's not true and different foods have different effects. Longer periods without food generally correlates to better insulin sensitivity which correlates to less fat storage. it can also help with hunger itself---once you get used to it, you realize that snacking all the time isnot necessary, maybe even adding to your hunger so if overeating is a problem then IF can be good.

many other health benefits accrue from reducing the number of times you eat a day, including/esp autophagy. I think a reasonable approach is that of Dr. Valter Longo, who encourages a 14 hour period (overnight really); a mediterranean diet, and occasional short fasts for autophagy purposes. Fasting essentially halts the production of IFG1, which is a growth signalling hormone--and that causes everything to grow, including tumors. This is why fasting is being studied in cancer patients. That being said, for most people most of the time there's not a huge benefit to fasting 18 hours versus 14. I do IF mainly because I have a low caloric need daily and prefer to get most of my calories in two meals rather than 3 plus a snack, which would limit me to 400 calorie meals.

Totally different point. Sure some calories have more nutritional benefits and will keep you full longer/make you feel better but at the end of the day a calorie is nothing more than a unit used to measure how much energy food give you. An apple can give you 100 cal of energy just like a piece of chocolate any energy not used from this food will be stored at fat.

Again not arguing that there can be health benefits to fasting but at the end of the day your body needs X calories to survive. If you eat that many you stay the same weight. if you eat too many you store that energy for later in the form of fat. If you eat too few calories you burn your energy stores.

Disagree with this. Go on a low carb diet. Eat more calories by eating mostly bacon, eggs and steak. You’ll lose weight rapidly and lose more and more. That diet alone proves that it’s not just calories in / calories out.

Lol. I can assure you I would have no problem at all to get fat on this diet. It's really not hard to overeat high calories foods. Dropping carbs is no magic bullet.

If you ate 3,000 pounds of only bacon you’d lose weight. Rapidly. Which proves it’s not just calories in / calories out. Of course that wouldn’t be healthy but you’d lose weight without carbs.

No, you would not and I hope you are just trolling. If not, I would strongly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit more on nutrition. I am currently cutting weight and have my carbs set at 235g per day. I have been consistently losing 1.5lbs of fat a week. And you know why? Because I am in a calorie deficit.

You actually would and you’d lose way more than 1.5 pounds a week!

Not of fat. At max you would lose some water due to the low carbs. But overeating bacon would definitely not be helpful to lose fat. I am more and more convinced you must be a troll, as I can’t really see how anyone would actually believe what you are saying.

You’ve clearly never done keto or any low carb diet for an extended period of time. The more fat you eat, the more you lose. You can’t eat many, if any, carbs though.

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Anonymous wrote:

But there are benefits of fasting, even if 15/16 hours. Eating 9-6 is still plenty of time to eat.


Not saying there aren't benefits, but if you lose weight by "fasting"/skipping a meal then it is all due to reduction in calories not because you didn't eat for 16 hrs. If you you needs 2000 cal to maintain it's current weight then you could eat your those calories in 2 hrs, 8 hr, or 24 hours and guess what you will stay the same weight.

well, yes and no. Its also like saying calories are calories and it doesn'tmatter what you eat. We know now that's not true and different foods have different effects. Longer periods without food generally correlates to better insulin sensitivity which correlates to less fat storage. it can also help with hunger itself---once you get used to it, you realize that snacking all the time isnot necessary, maybe even adding to your hunger so if overeating is a problem then IF can be good.

many other health benefits accrue from reducing the number of times you eat a day, including/esp autophagy. I think a reasonable approach is that of Dr. Valter Longo, who encourages a 14 hour period (overnight really); a mediterranean diet, and occasional short fasts for autophagy purposes. Fasting essentially halts the production of IFG1, which is a growth signalling hormone--and that causes everything to grow, including tumors. This is why fasting is being studied in cancer patients. That being said, for most people most of the time there's not a huge benefit to fasting 18 hours versus 14. I do IF mainly because I have a low caloric need daily and prefer to get most of my calories in two meals rather than 3 plus a snack, which would limit me to 400 calorie meals.

Totally different point. Sure some calories have more nutritional benefits and will keep you full longer/make you feel better but at the end of the day a calorie is nothing more than a unit used to measure how much energy food give you. An apple can give you 100 cal of energy just like a piece of chocolate any energy not used from this food will be stored at fat.

Again not arguing that there can be health benefits to fasting but at the end of the day your body needs X calories to survive. If you eat that many you stay the same weight. if you eat too many you store that energy for later in the form of fat. If you eat too few calories you burn your energy stores.

Disagree with this. Go on a low carb diet. Eat more calories by eating mostly bacon, eggs and steak. You’ll lose weight rapidly and lose more and more. That diet alone proves that it’s not just calories in / calories out.

Lol. I can assure you I would have no problem at all to get fat on this diet. It's really not hard to overeat high calories foods. Dropping carbs is no magic bullet.

If you ate 3,000 pounds of only bacon you’d lose weight. Rapidly. Which proves it’s not just calories in / calories out. Of course that wouldn’t be healthy but you’d lose weight without carbs.

No, you would not and I hope you are just trolling. If not, I would strongly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit more on nutrition. I am currently cutting weight and have my carbs set at 235g per day. I have been consistently losing 1.5lbs of fat a week. And you know why? Because I am in a calorie deficit.

You actually would and you’d lose way more than 1.5 pounds a week!

Not of fat. At max you would lose some water due to the low carbs. But overeating bacon would definitely not be helpful to lose fat. I am more and more convinced you must be a troll, as I can’t really see how anyone would actually believe what you are saying.

You’ve clearly never done keto or any low carb diet for an extended period of time. The more fat you eat, the more you lose. You can’t eat many, if any, carbs though.

You are wrong. I have done keto and found nothing magical about it. You have less appetite but it is unsustainably restrictive. And it is not true that the more you eat the more you lose. If you overeat you will still gain. It is just harder to overeat as people on keto just don’t feel very hungry. But claiming that eating as much as you want of anything other than carbs and losing fat is complete utter nonsense. If you overeat (any food) you will get fat, period.

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Anonymous wrote:

But there are benefits of fasting, even if 15/16 hours. Eating 9-6 is still plenty of time to eat.


Not saying there aren't benefits, but if you lose weight by "fasting"/skipping a meal then it is all due to reduction in calories not because you didn't eat for 16 hrs. If you you needs 2000 cal to maintain it's current weight then you could eat your those calories in 2 hrs, 8 hr, or 24 hours and guess what you will stay the same weight.

well, yes and no. Its also like saying calories are calories and it doesn'tmatter what you eat. We know now that's not true and different foods have different effects. Longer periods without food generally correlates to better insulin sensitivity which correlates to less fat storage. it can also help with hunger itself---once you get used to it, you realize that snacking all the time isnot necessary, maybe even adding to your hunger so if overeating is a problem then IF can be good.

many other health benefits accrue from reducing the number of times you eat a day, including/esp autophagy. I think a reasonable approach is that of Dr. Valter Longo, who encourages a 14 hour period (overnight really); a mediterranean diet, and occasional short fasts for autophagy purposes. Fasting essentially halts the production of IFG1, which is a growth signalling hormone--and that causes everything to grow, including tumors. This is why fasting is being studied in cancer patients. That being said, for most people most of the time there's not a huge benefit to fasting 18 hours versus 14. I do IF mainly because I have a low caloric need daily and prefer to get most of my calories in two meals rather than 3 plus a snack, which would limit me to 400 calorie meals.

Totally different point. Sure some calories have more nutritional benefits and will keep you full longer/make you feel better but at the end of the day a calorie is nothing more than a unit used to measure how much energy food give you. An apple can give you 100 cal of energy just like a piece of chocolate any energy not used from this food will be stored at fat.

Again not arguing that there can be health benefits to fasting but at the end of the day your body needs X calories to survive. If you eat that many you stay the same weight. if you eat too many you store that energy for later in the form of fat. If you eat too few calories you burn your energy stores.

Disagree with this. Go on a low carb diet. Eat more calories by eating mostly bacon, eggs and steak. You’ll lose weight rapidly and lose more and more. That diet alone proves that it’s not just calories in / calories out.

Lol. I can assure you I would have no problem at all to get fat on this diet. It's really not hard to overeat high calories foods. Dropping carbs is no magic bullet.

If you ate 3,000 pounds of only bacon you’d lose weight. Rapidly. Which proves it’s not just calories in / calories out. Of course that wouldn’t be healthy but you’d lose weight without carbs.

No, you would not and I hope you are just trolling. If not, I would strongly suggest that you inform yourself a little bit more on nutrition. I am currently cutting weight and have my carbs set at 235g per day. I have been consistently losing 1.5lbs of fat a week. And you know why? Because I am in a calorie deficit.

You actually would and you’d lose way more than 1.5 pounds a week!

Not of fat. At max you would lose some water due to the low carbs. But overeating bacon would definitely not be helpful to lose fat. I am more and more convinced you must be a troll, as I can’t really see how anyone would actually believe what you are saying.

You’ve clearly never done keto or any low carb diet for an extended period of time. The more fat you eat, the more you lose. You can’t eat many, if any, carbs though.

You are wrong. I have done keto and found nothing magical about it. You have less appetite but it is unsustainably restrictive. And it is not true that the more you eat the more you lose. If you overeat you will still gain. It is just harder to overeat as people on keto just don’t feel very hungry. But claiming that eating as much as you want of anything other than carbs and losing fat is complete utter nonsense. If you overeat (any food) you will get fat, period.

You also lose a ton of water weigh on keto because cutting carbs reduces glycogen stores. This is why if you do keto and eat carbs for a day you will see a huge spike in weight.

people do not understand the difference between losing "weight" and losing actual fat.

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If you're plateauing on IF you might want to change up your fasts. I found "Fast Like a Girl" by Mindy Pelz helpful because it discusses fasting within the context of women's cycles. We're built differently than men, and what works for men with fasting doesn't always work for us.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're plateauing on IF you might want to change up your fasts. I found "Fast Like a Girl" by Mindy Pelz helpful because it discusses fasting within the context of women's cycles. We're built differently than men, and what works for men with fasting doesn't always work for us.

Can you give us an idea of what her cycle fast suggestion is?

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IF especially if you are exercising in the morning can spike your cortisol which can cause your body to hold on to weight. While weight loss is mostly CICO, especially once you are in a healthy range (e.g. your last five lbs) your hormonal response can make a difference.