Robinson dumping AP classes and focusing on IB

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


What percentage of military kids do you think are attending international schools abroad? The percentage of deployed abroad hovers around 15%. The percentage deployed abroad whose families accompany them are far lower. It's much more common to be stationed at a base in the US and then have a unit deploy from that base with the family remaining


This question is a prime example of what people do not understand about the Robinson area. I've lived in KPW for 20 years, taught at Robinson and Lake Braddock until I retired and know both communities well.

First, the people who are military typically fall into two camps. First, many people moved to this area and bought homes early in their careers, sent their children to elementary school for some time and then rented out their homes until they were closer to retirement/exit from the military. These families then returned to the area and took jobs as contractors (supplementing their retirement or reserve pay) with their new income. Usually these people arrived back when their kids were starting high school or in middle school (which makes sense for officers -- most of whom have post-graduate degrees and were older -- well for the military not DC-- when they had kids). Robinson AND Lake Braddock communities are full of these families. People usually are fine where they are once they find a house.

These people don't care about IB, but like the area and are fine generally. Most who live walking distance send their kids to Robinson. The bulk (until over the past 5-10 years) of placements to lake Braddock were AAP kids. This dropped dramatically over the past 10 years --some due to the Lake Braddock issues (principal/admin drama) and some due to just the ebb and flow of preference of the families. The other point is that not all Robinson kids place in Lake Braddock for AP. Most do, but many place in Centreville, South County or Woodson. For these kids, they often just go to Robinson instead of spending middle school in one place, high school in a different one that isn't full of their center friends or neighborhood friends. The county cracked down on pupil placement for AP at Lake Braddock about 15 years ago and started holding the line that if you live closer to some school, you go there unless it's full (So, some Woodson and Centreville kids ended up at Fairfax for example for a bit but Woodson is open now judging from the graduation signs in my neighborhood).

The second group is indeed international military families. Robinson is actually sought out by these folks and there are a lot of them (because these are officers working in the Pentagon). These families had kids overseas in IB schools and they actually want to continue this for consistency sake. Many military family forums actually recommend the Robinson schools for this reason (if you look at rentals during high season (late spring) you will see IB being mentioned because that is often a search term).

I will say that Robinson and Lake Braddock (to a slightly lesser extent) fairly uniformly middle class/upper middle class. It's not rich, rich. But these kids are resourced. The families seem more content with their choices than other schools in the county.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


+1. Also keep in mind that Mount Vernon is the base high school for families living at Fort Belvoir and there are large pupil placements out of MVHS every year to avoid that school and its IB program.
Anonymous
Does anyone else want to tell the school board members pushing IB on fcps to quit trying to make fetch happen?

No one wants IB.

It increases disparities between and within schools.

Make one school in each half of the county an IB magnet and drop it everywhere else.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


Again, you don't know what you are talking about. There are many DOD schools at bases around the world that do use the IB program. It's not just Europe.

It is weird how much people hate the IB program. Why?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


+1. Also keep in mind that Mount Vernon is the base high school for families living at Fort Belvoir and there are large pupil placements out of MVHS every year to avoid that school and its IB program.


That base is NOT the same base where the bulk of Robinson military parents work. These people work at the Pentagon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


What percentage of military kids do you think are attending international schools abroad? The percentage of deployed abroad hovers around 15%. The percentage deployed abroad whose families accompany them are far lower. It's much more common to be stationed at a base in the US and then have a unit deploy from that base with the family remaining


This question is a prime example of what people do not understand about the Robinson area. I've lived in KPW for 20 years, taught at Robinson and Lake Braddock until I retired and know both communities well.

First, the people who are military typically fall into two camps. First, many people moved to this area and bought homes early in their careers, sent their children to elementary school for some time and then rented out their homes until they were closer to retirement/exit from the military. These families then returned to the area and took jobs as contractors (supplementing their retirement or reserve pay) with their new income. Usually these people arrived back when their kids were starting high school or in middle school (which makes sense for officers -- most of whom have post-graduate degrees and were older -- well for the military not DC-- when they had kids). Robinson AND Lake Braddock communities are full of these families. People usually are fine where they are once they find a house.

These people don't care about IB, but like the area and are fine generally. Most who live walking distance send their kids to Robinson. The bulk (until over the past 5-10 years) of placements to lake Braddock were AAP kids. This dropped dramatically over the past 10 years --some due to the Lake Braddock issues (principal/admin drama) and some due to just the ebb and flow of preference of the families. The other point is that not all Robinson kids place in Lake Braddock for AP. Most do, but many place in Centreville, South County or Woodson. For these kids, they often just go to Robinson instead of spending middle school in one place, high school in a different one that isn't full of their center friends or neighborhood friends. The county cracked down on pupil placement for AP at Lake Braddock about 15 years ago and started holding the line that if you live closer to some school, you go there unless it's full (So, some Woodson and Centreville kids ended up at Fairfax for example for a bit but Woodson is open now judging from the graduation signs in my neighborhood).

The second group is indeed international military families. Robinson is actually sought out by these folks and there are a lot of them (because these are officers working in the Pentagon). These families had kids overseas in IB schools and they actually want to continue this for consistency sake. Many military family forums actually recommend the Robinson schools for this reason (if you look at rentals during high season (late spring) you will see IB being mentioned because that is often a search term).

I will say that Robinson and Lake Braddock (to a slightly lesser extent) fairly uniformly middle class/upper middle class. It's not rich, rich. But these kids are resourced. The families seem more content with their choices than other schools in the county.



For a school with a catchment area the size of Robinson, the enrollment seems quite low. Granted some of the areas have big lot sizes, but others do not.

I'm sure there are some military families who want to continue in IB based on prior assignments, but the number of military families at Hayfield, Lake Braddock, and West Springfield seems larger.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


What percentage of military kids do you think are attending international schools abroad? The percentage of deployed abroad hovers around 15%. The percentage deployed abroad whose families accompany them are far lower. It's much more common to be stationed at a base in the US and then have a unit deploy from that base with the family remaining


This question is a prime example of what people do not understand about the Robinson area. I've lived in KPW for 20 years, taught at Robinson and Lake Braddock until I retired and know both communities well.

First, the people who are military typically fall into two camps. First, many people moved to this area and bought homes early in their careers, sent their children to elementary school for some time and then rented out their homes until they were closer to retirement/exit from the military. These families then returned to the area and took jobs as contractors (supplementing their retirement or reserve pay) with their new income. Usually these people arrived back when their kids were starting high school or in middle school (which makes sense for officers -- most of whom have post-graduate degrees and were older -- well for the military not DC-- when they had kids). Robinson AND Lake Braddock communities are full of these families. People usually are fine where they are once they find a house.

These people don't care about IB, but like the area and are fine generally. Most who live walking distance send their kids to Robinson. The bulk (until over the past 5-10 years) of placements to lake Braddock were AAP kids. This dropped dramatically over the past 10 years --some due to the Lake Braddock issues (principal/admin drama) and some due to just the ebb and flow of preference of the families. The other point is that not all Robinson kids place in Lake Braddock for AP. Most do, but many place in Centreville, South County or Woodson. For these kids, they often just go to Robinson instead of spending middle school in one place, high school in a different one that isn't full of their center friends or neighborhood friends. The county cracked down on pupil placement for AP at Lake Braddock about 15 years ago and started holding the line that if you live closer to some school, you go there unless it's full (So, some Woodson and Centreville kids ended up at Fairfax for example for a bit but Woodson is open now judging from the graduation signs in my neighborhood).

The second group is indeed international military families. Robinson is actually sought out by these folks and there are a lot of them (because these are officers working in the Pentagon). These families had kids overseas in IB schools and they actually want to continue this for consistency sake. Many military family forums actually recommend the Robinson schools for this reason (if you look at rentals during high season (late spring) you will see IB being mentioned because that is often a search term).

I will say that Robinson and Lake Braddock (to a slightly lesser extent) fairly uniformly middle class/upper middle class. It's not rich, rich. But these kids are resourced. The families seem more content with their choices than other schools in the county.



For a school with a catchment area the size of Robinson, the enrollment seems quite low. Granted some of the areas have big lot sizes, but others do not.

I'm sure there are some military families who want to continue in IB based on prior assignments, but the number of military families at Hayfield, Lake Braddock, and West Springfield seems larger.


For families choosing Robinson, IB makes sense. For these other schools, obviously, having AP classes works. It's good for the military families to have these choices. I don't know why people keep crapping on Robinson. What's the point of this thread?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is not the way.

Should be dumping IB across the county to simplify.


OP here. I’ve been pretty impressed by the IB program so far! And I took AP in high school in Maryland.


I’m an AP kid. I was ok with IB but the recent changes effects parents and kids monetarily and in terms of effort and time. This really just seals the deal for me to transfer my kids to LB or TJ.

Robinson is more than welcome to dump AP. Enrollment is dropping anyway as their top math/science kids are going to TJ. IB is very strong for writing (it’s very essay driven) which is great. However, the STEM driven parents that I have talked to are considering transferring to Lake Braddock if their kids don’t get into TJ. Because the course credits for STEM in an AP program vs an IB program aren’t the same. For some schools like UVA AP Calc BC gives extra credits vs IB math (for UMd, it’s equivalent to three classes.) This is significant because the only class parents are upset about is AP calc BC. This one class is equal to two years of IB math- because there are different tests.

Now I am not saying the school isn’t good. But I am saying it will definitely drop in rankings if it has an increase of transfers. But what I suspect is that this is intentional. They want more kids to transfer to LBSS (because it is losing enrollment numbers) and to TJ so that they can expand Robinsons boundaries and take some of the centreville kids off of Fairfax Station road. Long term- my suspicion is that boundaries will be changing once that happens and Centreville parents won’t complain that their kids are going to Robinson and Robinson can blame it on parents transferring their kids to LB.

I do think that this also means more kids will end up getting into TJ from Robinson and that people who have smart kids will see the data points from that soon enough and keep real estate values high FWIW. I also think that this will help with scheduling for teachers and that the school will do better overall. But I do not like the change personally.



I teach at Robinson. I can assure you nothing of the sort is motivating this change. The master schedule is a nightmare of one off classes, causing teachers to have 3 preps, student schedules to be inflexible, and staffing ratios to be a challenge. IB already had so many sub sections of classes (year 1, year 2, HL, SL) that scheduling is really, really hard.

They are keeping AP calc and AP stats next year. The only class they are dropping is APUSH. There is an analogous IB course already offered.


If the scheduling is so hard, the degree is so niche, and the fact that we have so many military families here as is: why keep IB? Why not transition out to AP?

Remember: Robinson wasn’t IB before. Now that it is, and now that TJ is easier to get in from Robinson: what will make Robinson a top school when it doesn’t offer the classes the top kids want to take? Now I understand AP stats is still being offered- but that’s not the same as AP calc BC, which gives more credit for one exam and I believe that that is no longer being offered.

As for the boundary changes: sure. But lots of things happen when enrollment plummets that may make the school board re-evaluate why it’s happening.


Again, they are still offering calc bc next year.

This year, there are 4 AP classes offered. AP Calc AB, AP Calc BC, AP Statistics, and APUSH. APUSH is the ONLY course being dropped.

You can argue that IB is dumb if that's how you feel, but all this hullabaloo over literally 1 course changing seems ridiculous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


What percentage of military kids do you think are attending international schools abroad? The percentage of deployed abroad hovers around 15%. The percentage deployed abroad whose families accompany them are far lower. It's much more common to be stationed at a base in the US and then have a unit deploy from that base with the family remaining


This question is a prime example of what people do not understand about the Robinson area. I've lived in KPW for 20 years, taught at Robinson and Lake Braddock until I retired and know both communities well.

First, the people who are military typically fall into two camps. First, many people moved to this area and bought homes early in their careers, sent their children to elementary school for some time and then rented out their homes until they were closer to retirement/exit from the military. These families then returned to the area and took jobs as contractors (supplementing their retirement or reserve pay) with their new income. Usually these people arrived back when their kids were starting high school or in middle school (which makes sense for officers -- most of whom have post-graduate degrees and were older -- well for the military not DC-- when they had kids). Robinson AND Lake Braddock communities are full of these families. People usually are fine where they are once they find a house.

These people don't care about IB, but like the area and are fine generally. Most who live walking distance send their kids to Robinson. The bulk (until over the past 5-10 years) of placements to lake Braddock were AAP kids. This dropped dramatically over the past 10 years --some due to the Lake Braddock issues (principal/admin drama) and some due to just the ebb and flow of preference of the families. The other point is that not all Robinson kids place in Lake Braddock for AP. Most do, but many place in Centreville, South County or Woodson. For these kids, they often just go to Robinson instead of spending middle school in one place, high school in a different one that isn't full of their center friends or neighborhood friends. The county cracked down on pupil placement for AP at Lake Braddock about 15 years ago and started holding the line that if you live closer to some school, you go there unless it's full (So, some Woodson and Centreville kids ended up at Fairfax for example for a bit but Woodson is open now judging from the graduation signs in my neighborhood).

The second group is indeed international military families. Robinson is actually sought out by these folks and there are a lot of them (because these are officers working in the Pentagon). These families had kids overseas in IB schools and they actually want to continue this for consistency sake. Many military family forums actually recommend the Robinson schools for this reason (if you look at rentals during high season (late spring) you will see IB being mentioned because that is often a search term).

I will say that Robinson and Lake Braddock (to a slightly lesser extent) fairly uniformly middle class/upper middle class. It's not rich, rich. But these kids are resourced. The families seem more content with their choices than other schools in the county.



For a school with a catchment area the size of Robinson, the enrollment seems quite low. Granted some of the areas have big lot sizes, but others do not.

I'm sure there are some military families who want to continue in IB based on prior assignments, but the number of military families at Hayfield, Lake Braddock, and West Springfield seems larger.


Fairfax Station doesn't have as much housing inventory that A) turns over frequently, B) that military can afford, and C) that has public transportation to the Pentagon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Did they survey the Robinson pyramid parents to see if they want IB or AP?



Years and years and years ago, high schools got to choose if they went AP or IB. This is 15+ years ago. Each school did it differently, either principal choice, community surveys, etc. No idea how Robinson did it at the time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


+1. Also keep in mind that Mount Vernon is the base high school for families living at Fort Belvoir and there are large pupil placements out of MVHS every year to avoid that school and its IB program.


That base is NOT the same base where the bulk of Robinson military parents work. These people work at the Pentagon.


West Potomac and Mt Vernon are the pyramids most convenient to the pentagon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


+1. Also keep in mind that Mount Vernon is the base high school for families living at Fort Belvoir and there are large pupil placements out of MVHS every year to avoid that school and its IB program.


Families living on Belvior know that they can call any principal and get their kids enrolled. West Springfield and Hayfield are the most popular choices from the families that we know living on base
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid is an RMIB alum. IB should only be offered to very bright kids with a lot of support.

IB in a academically lagging school is absolutely terrible idea and a sure way to torpedo the future of struggling students.


Robinson isn't an academically lagging school, despite the handwringing on this thread. That said, the IB diploma is still a niche diploma, the majority of students are not aiming for it.


Which is why this makes no sense. A student can take one AP class and get college credit for that class. IB on the other hand is a multi year slog that most students don't want.


A student can also take 1 IB class and get credit. I feel like most people complaining about the program know nothing about it. Yes, IB courses are 2 year sequences, but so are all AP courses when you think about it. Basically no one is taking AP chem without honors chem first (2 year sequence). No one takes AP English Lit without honors English the year before. IB just calls "Honors chem" "IB Chem 1". You COULD jump straight to year 2 technically, but it would be really, really, really hard.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That is a really terrible decision for a school that has so many military kids.

Doesn't fcps have a military liason? Someone needs to get them involved.

IB is useless for military kids.

Which school board member is in cahoots witn the company that owns the IB program?



Not true. A lot of military kids are already accustomed to IB if they’ve been to international schools overseas.


You are incorrect.

Very few milktary kids attend high school in Europe.


Again you don't know this area. Both Lake Braddock and Robinson have communities with express busses to the Pentagon (as well as the VRE).

Stop talking about things you don't know.

+1. Also keep in mind that Mount Vernon is the base high school for families living at Fort Belvoir and there are large pupil placements out of MVHS every year to avoid that school and its IB program.


That base is NOT the same base where the bulk of Robinson military parents work. These people work at the Pentagon.


West Potomac and Mt Vernon are the pyramids most convenient to the pentagon.
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