EVs a disaster

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

Cool, but I don't think most of us who need a plumber in D.C. are going to be calling someone who has to drive here from California.

+1 why are these posters bothering with ridiculous examples and exaggerations?

Most people drive under 50 miles a day, which is fine for EVs.

[Anonymous]

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It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

+1

75% of the DBs driving around in trucks here don’t “need” a truck.

No one wants a truck that loses half its range because it is cold outside even if you aren't hauling anything.

Ok. So don’t get an EV.

[Anonymous]

We have a hybrid minivan and we haven’t had any issues with range even if we are bringing stuff home from Home Depot (like a toilet!). There is some battery loss in cold weather but it’s typically not noticeable except when we leave the car parked at the airport for a week in winter — I think we lost 10-20% of charge then and had to stop in the way home to get some juice.

[Anonymous]

Is there someone from the gas lobby on here? Electric rocks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

You can't get thru to DCUM fools!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

You can't get thru to DCUM fools!

Best post ever (the long one) - so funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

You can't get thru to DCUM fools!

Best post ever (the long one) - so funny.

Not really, because commercial vehicles have always been categorized differently than passenger vehicles and aren’t subject to the California law, even if this is still a problem when it takes effect.

[Anonymous]

Most the clowns driving $80K pickup trucks are not hauling anything anyway.

The Ford Lightning totally makes sense for a defense contractor or commercial real estate developer in his khakis and Patagonia fleece vest. These guys are hauling golf clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most the clowns driving $80K pickup trucks are not hauling anything anyway.

The Ford Lightning totally makes sense for a defense contractor or commercial real estate developer in his khakis and Patagonia fleece vest. These guys are hauling golf clubs.

Once again, watch the second video.....the lightning uses 2x the range per mile even without hauling anything..... simply because it is cold outside. Ford's solution: don't use your heater!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most the clowns driving $80K pickup trucks are not hauling anything anyway.

The Ford Lightning totally makes sense for a defense contractor or commercial real estate developer in his khakis and Patagonia fleece vest. These guys are hauling golf clubs.

Once again, watch the second video.....the lightning uses 2x the range per mile even without hauling anything..... simply because it is cold outside. Ford's solution: don't use your heater!

So…..don’t get one. No one is forcing you.

Battery technology will continue to improve. Range is the biggest issue with most EVs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

Except no one wants to buy trucks that can't work in cold weather even if they're not used for towing anything. Have fun charging for 45 minutes every 3 hours in the winter, lol.

Commercial vehicles will have swappable batteries; you drive to a station and they pull out battery and replace with fully charged one. Faster than gas. Already many designs for this, probably will be subscription service.

[Anonymous]

This is what's happening in Montgomery County government. Elrich is mandating EVs for almost every application. They are fine as commuter cars, but they aren't working well for permit inspectors and the like. The range is never what they say it is, and employees often don't finish their work. It's not like getting low on gas and taking 10 minutes to fuel up. It's a couple of hours to recharge. Hours our tax dollars are paying for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

Except no one wants to buy trucks that can't work in cold weather even if they're not used for towing anything. Have fun charging for 45 minutes every 3 hours in the winter, lol.

Commercial vehicles will have swappable batteries; you drive to a station and they pull out battery and replace with fully charged one. Faster than gas. Already many designs for this, probably will be subscription service.

What a pipedream.

Name brands making and fitting their factories right now for swappable batteries.

Name companies building infrastructure so you can conveniently stop to get a battery swapped out. Those things weigh roughly 600-2000 kgs, which will require highly specialized stations.

This is a really dumb post not even based remotely in reality or feasibility. I'd expect solid state batteries long before there was infrastructure and a huge network of battery swapping stations across the country to make that approach feasible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

Why is this hypothetical plumber having to take jobs 100 miles away?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

Another idiot who doesn't realize CA regs impose standards and regs on many other states.

Not universally.

What state do you live in? What CA regs affect you right now?

A lot of the vehicle emissions and MPG-related rules California has more strict rules than the EPA which causes the automakers to collectively step their game up. Even if it doesn't actually get implemented in 2035 as written in 2022 due to California regime changes or legal challenges it starts to make a business case for decision-makers at these companies to electrify more of their fleet and invest in R&D.

That said, PP says it like it's a bad thing. If you think of electric/electrified cars from going to Prius -> Leaf -> Model S -> Rivian/Hummer/F150 Lightning in ~15-20 years it shows how much the battery and drivetrain technology has improved. You know your argument sucks when you have to bring up an edge commercial use-case that doesn't apply to 99% of vehicles on the road.

Lol @ 'edge commercial use case'.

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things. Clearly you missed the second video where he had to sell the lightning because it's range completely sucked in cold weather even without towing anything. He was basically burning through 1.5-2x range of the miles driven. A complete disaster.

Way to make a crappy post without even getting up to speed on everything.

At this point an EV pickup isn't a great fit for a person who regularly needs to tow or haul long distances. Nobody is arguing you on that.

It is a great fit for the vast majority of F150 owners who use their car to drive to the office and the occasional FB marketplace furniture pickup. I don't understand why more choice in the marketplace is so triggering for you.