EVs a disaster

[Anonymous]

EVs do not equal "trucks" OP.

Most people using EVs just want cars; with time, the truck technology will improve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

Honey, we can talk this through in *2035* when it is actually enforced in CA. I happen to think that by then, a lot of bugs will have been worked out. In the meantime, you can keep working on your bunker. Sound good?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

Another idiot who doesn't realize CA regs impose standards and regs on many other states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

Another idiot who doesn't realize CA regs impose standards and regs on many other states.

Not universally.

What state do you live in? What CA regs affect you right now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Do you live in California? Do you have to haul work equipment there?

CA's regulations bleed into many states if you didn't know. Your questions is woefully naive.

Is they?

You have too much time on your hands, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Haha, oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize I had stumbled into the Blue Collar California Moms and Dads forum. Silly me, thinking the vast majority of posters here who have or who are considering EVs buy small sedans or SUVs and use them primarily for commuting and soccer practice.

Bye!

Look deeper.

(I know, I know, that’s not your thing. Try anyway)

Let’s say you need your toilet fixed. Because I doubt you’re the handy type. So you need to call a plumber. Plumbers drive work trucks or vans. They need to, because they have to carry lots of tools, not to mention toilets, sinks, water heaters, and lengths of pipe. They MUST use a truck of some kind.

So you call your plumber and set an appointment for say, 10am. The plumber drives out to your home - using 50% of the vehicle’s charge to get there - and fixes/replaces your toilet/sink/whatever in about an hour. Then she (see what I did there? Yeah, women are plumbers too) she needs the rest of the vehicles charge to get home. If she had a conventional truck, she could just take a couple minutes, fill up with gas, and hit another job or two after your house - which she finished at 11am. But she can’t do that. She needs to recharge her EV truck now, otherwise if she goes to another job after yours, she won’t make it home or to pick up her kid from aftercare, because she’ll need to recharge for an hour or so after running down her EV truck battery.

So now instead of doing 3 or maybe even 4 jobs a day, she’s limited to 1 or 2.

Her earning potential has effectively been cut in half because of the complications of recharging the vehicle.

Do you think she’s simply going to eat that cost and accept earning half what she used to when she drove a ICE truck?

Nope.

She’s going to make it up by charging you double the price.

So your toilet replacement, which might’ve cost $300-$400 before, will now cost you $600-$800 now instead. Because she’s only doing half the work - so the work needs to produce twice as much revenue.

Extrapolate that over an entire service economy now. Everything will get more expensive, and take longer.

That’s a deeper look.


Try it.

Cool, but I don't think most of us who need a plumber in D.C. are going to be calling someone who has to drive here from California.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

Another idiot who doesn't realize CA regs impose standards and regs on many other states.

Not universally.

What state do you live in? What CA regs affect you right now?

A lot of the vehicle emissions and MPG-related rules California has more strict rules than the EPA which causes the automakers to collectively step their game up. Even if it doesn't actually get implemented in 2035 as written in 2022 due to California regime changes or legal challenges it starts to make a business case for decision-makers at these companies to electrify more of their fleet and invest in R&D.

That said, PP says it like it's a bad thing. If you think of electric/electrified cars from going to Prius -> Leaf -> Model S -> Rivian/Hummer/F150 Lightning in ~15-20 years it shows how much the battery and drivetrain technology has improved. You know your argument sucks when you have to bring up an edge commercial use-case that doesn't apply to 99% of vehicles on the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

Yeah, except people in California won't have a choice. They will be forced to buy trash EV trucks if they have to haul work equipment etc. What are they gonna do, waste 4 hours per day charging because they have to drive 150 miles in a day while hauling equipment.

What a dumb post by you.

Oh here we go. The RWNJs have declared war on EV’s. Move to California and complain.

Another idiot who doesn't realize CA regs impose standards and regs on many other states.

Not universally.

What state do you live in? What CA regs affect you right now?

A lot of the vehicle emissions and MPG-related rules California has more strict rules than the EPA which causes the automakers to collectively step their game up. Even if it doesn't actually get implemented in 2035 as written in 2022 due to California regime changes or legal challenges it starts to make a business case for decision-makers at these companies to electrify more of their fleet and invest in R&D.

That said, PP says it like it's a bad thing. If you think of electric/electrified cars from going to Prius -> Leaf -> Model S -> Rivian/Hummer/F150 Lightning in ~15-20 years it shows how much the battery and drivetrain technology has improved. You know your argument sucks when you have to bring up an edge commercial use-case that doesn't apply to 99% of vehicles on the road.

Lol @ 'edge commercial use case'.

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things. Clearly you missed the second video where he had to sell the lightning because it's range completely sucked in cold weather even without towing anything. He was basically burning through 1.5-2x range of the miles driven. A complete disaster.

Way to make a crappy post without even getting up to speed on everything.

[Anonymous]

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

Except no one wants to buy trucks that can't work in cold weather even if they're not used for towing anything. Have fun charging for 45 minutes every 3 hours in the winter, lol.

[Anonymous]

I also forgot, to enhance range in the winter, Ford recommends not even using the heater and keeping warm from your heated steering wheel and from the heated seats. What a damn joke. A truck with a heater where you can't even use the truck to do truck things, and they want you to not even use the heater in the winter so they you can drive places without needing to charge every single hour. So dumb.
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

+1

75% of the DBs driving around in trucks here don’t “need” a truck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's a shitty vehicle that looks like a truck that can't even do truck things.

Look around you, there’s a gigantic market for that.

+1

75% of the DBs driving around in trucks here don’t “need” a truck.

No one wants a truck that loses half its range because it is cold outside even if you aren't hauling anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Saying "EVs" are a disaster when you mean trucks for big hauls and all-terrain is stupid. Use the right tool for the right job. My husband's EV is meant to be a commuter car; it does a fantastic job for that. If he wanted to haul lumber up a mountain every day in ice and snow, he'd use a different vehicle. Dumb thread.

+1 op, you bias is showing.