If you are Catholic and consider yourself "observant"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Attending mass on Sundays and holy days,
attending either Catholic school or CCD
Receiving appropriate sacraments (baptism as a baby, first confession and first communion around 2nd grade, Confirmation when older).

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I'm going to guess that the OP skipped mass one Sunday and the DH is being a jerk about it. I think you can certainly still be an observant Catholic if you skip mass here and there, but as a rule you should be attending

False. Missing mass is a mortal sin. Attending mass on sundays is a core element of being observant. If you're child is of the age to receive communion, you are also obligated to ensure they attend weekly as well.

False. You have no clue if the family had a "serious reason" for missing mass. And missing mass certainly isn't a mortal sin for a child, given that the child doesn't have control over that situation

correct. It's just a mortal sin for the parents if the child misses without a grave reason. Missing for a grave reason is not the same as "here and there."

Where performance is more important than being a good Christian!

Not pp and not Catholic, but since Jesus himself Christians have placed importance on celebrating communally. The idea is that you get spiritual things you wouldn't get on your own.

This.

Matthew 18:20. "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, I am there among them"

[Anonymous]

I wouldn’t waste my time consulting the people here.

Have a conversation with him about what he thinks is adequate. If you disagree, you both must find a way to reach an agreement.

Your attorneys can also give advice on what the law is.

I personally don’t know a divorcing couple who had to raise a child in religious manner forced by their ex spouse, in their own home. When the kids go to mom or dad’s house, yeah, mom and dad can take them to church or whatever.

It’s probably like morality clauses during and after divorce. They look good on paper, but really can’t be enforced.

Have you asked your ex what his expectations are?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP
You needed a better lawyer why would you agree to this?

+1 exactly. op is either a troll or has a terrible attorney. at the very least if a parent was going to take the time and money to put such issues into an agreement, they’d have some bare minimum standards they’d accept. I think op is a troll. You can’t force a separated parent to make the kids be your religion in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t waste my time consulting the people here.

Have a conversation with him about what he thinks is adequate. If you disagree, you both must find a way to reach an agreement.

Your attorneys can also give advice on what the law is.

I personally don’t know a divorcing couple who had to raise a child in religious manner forced by their ex spouse, in their own home. When the kids go to mom or dad’s house, yeah, mom and dad can take them to church or whatever.

It’s probably like morality clauses during and after divorce. They look good on paper, but really can’t be enforced.

Have you asked your ex what his expectations are?

It doesn’t sound like her ex is all that reasonable. I can understand why she’s want to get a sense from other people what most would expect an “observant catholic” to do. Weekly mass, yes. Weekly youth group, no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending mass on Sundays and holy days,
attending either Catholic school or CCD
Receiving appropriate sacraments (baptism as a baby, first confession and first communion around 2nd grade, Confirmation when older).

+1

+3

I'm going to guess that the OP skipped mass one Sunday and the DH is being a jerk about it. I think you can certainly still be an observant Catholic if you skip mass here and there, but as a rule you should be attending

False. Missing mass is a mortal sin. Attending mass on sundays is a core element of being observant. If you're child is of the age to receive communion, you are also obligated to ensure they attend weekly as well.

False. You have no clue if the family had a "serious reason" for missing mass. And missing mass certainly isn't a mortal sin for a child, given that the child doesn't have control over that situation

correct. It's just a mortal sin for the parents if the child misses without a grave reason. Missing for a grave reason is not the same as "here and there."

You are mixing up words. Missing mass is a "grave" sin, unless missed for a "legitimate" reason. Sin requires some level of assent, of choosing against God. There are many legitimate reasons that are not choosing against God. Also, it is only a mortal sin if all three elements of a mortal sin are present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t waste my time consulting the people here.

Have a conversation with him about what he thinks is adequate. If you disagree, you both must find a way to reach an agreement.

Your attorneys can also give advice on what the law is.

I personally don’t know a divorcing couple who had to raise a child in religious manner forced by their ex spouse, in their own home. When the kids go to mom or dad’s house, yeah, mom and dad can take them to church or whatever.

It’s probably like morality clauses during and after divorce. They look good on paper, but really can’t be enforced.

Have you asked your ex what his expectations are?

It doesn’t sound like her ex is all that reasonable. I can understand why she’s want to get a sense from other people what most would expect an “observant catholic” to do. Weekly mass, yes. Weekly youth group, no.

other people are not a party to the divorce or custody issues, and their opinions have zero meaning to either the judge or parties involved in the case. troll.

[Anonymous]

There should be a parenting agreement with the terms fully defined. The parent that has the kids more has more power in that regard, as they have more physical custody and care of the kids. The children’s best interests is what the court will consider as the most important factor in all of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP
You needed a better lawyer why would you agree to this?

+1 exactly. op is either a troll or has a terrible attorney. at the very least if a parent was going to take the time and money to put such issues into an agreement, they’d have some bare minimum standards they’d accept. I think op is a troll. You can’t force a separated parent to make the kids be your religion in their home.

Have you watched Unorthodox? That's exactly what the judge did, he denied the mom custody because she wouldn't agree to raise her kids Orthodox.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending mass on Sundays and holy days,
attending either Catholic school or CCD
Receiving appropriate sacraments (baptism as a baby, first confession and first communion around 2nd grade, Confirmation when older).

+1

+3

I'm going to guess that the OP skipped mass one Sunday and the DH is being a jerk about it. I think you can certainly still be an observant Catholic if you skip mass here and there, but as a rule you should be attending

False. Missing mass is a mortal sin. Attending mass on sundays is a core element of being observant. If you're child is of the age to receive communion, you are also obligated to ensure they attend weekly as well.

False. You have no clue if the family had a "serious reason" for missing mass. And missing mass certainly isn't a mortal sin for a child, given that the child doesn't have control over that situation

correct. It's just a mortal sin for the parents if the child misses without a grave reason. Missing for a grave reason is not the same as "here and there."

You are mixing up words. Missing mass is a "grave" sin, unless missed for a "legitimate" reason. Sin requires some level of assent, of choosing against God. There are many legitimate reasons that are not choosing against God. Also, it is only a mortal sin if all three elements of a mortal sin are present.

Regardless the fear of sinning is why there are so many hacking and sick people at Mass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending mass on Sundays and holy days,
attending either Catholic school or CCD
Receiving appropriate sacraments (baptism as a baby, first confession and first communion around 2nd grade, Confirmation when older).

+1

+3

I'm going to guess that the OP skipped mass one Sunday and the DH is being a jerk about it. I think you can certainly still be an observant Catholic if you skip mass here and there, but as a rule you should be attending

False. Missing mass is a mortal sin. Attending mass on sundays is a core element of being observant. If you're child is of the age to receive communion, you are also obligated to ensure they attend weekly as well.

False it’s only a mortal sin to miss Easter mass.

Huh? While Easter is the most sacred celebration, that particular Sunday Mass has no greater “pull” than any other Sunday Mass. Missing any of them deliberately carries the same sin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending mass on Sundays and holy days,
attending either Catholic school or CCD
Receiving appropriate sacraments (baptism as a baby, first confession and first communion around 2nd grade, Confirmation when older).

+1

+3

I'm going to guess that the OP skipped mass one Sunday and the DH is being a jerk about it. I think you can certainly still be an observant Catholic if you skip mass here and there, but as a rule you should be attending

False. Missing mass is a mortal sin. Attending mass on sundays is a core element of being observant. If you're child is of the age to receive communion, you are also obligated to ensure they attend weekly as well.

False. You have no clue if the family had a "serious reason" for missing mass. And missing mass certainly isn't a mortal sin for a child, given that the child doesn't have control over that situation

correct. It's just a mortal sin for the parents if the child misses without a grave reason. Missing for a grave reason is not the same as "here and there."

You are mixing up words. Missing mass is a "grave" sin, unless missed for a "legitimate" reason. Sin requires some level of assent, of choosing against God. There are many legitimate reasons that are not choosing against God. Also, it is only a mortal sin if all three elements of a mortal sin are present.

Regardless the fear of sinning is why there are so many hacking and sick people at Mass.

Well they are getting it very wrong then, and actually committing a sin by attending - - being sick, especially if contagious is expressly one the of legitimate, and recommended, reasons not to attend mass.

[Anonymous]

I really think op is a troll.

If her soon to be ex was so controlling, she wouldn’t have to ask for opinions here.

Her attorney would be the person she consults with.

[Anonymous]

Once confirmed I would think all you need to do is not stand in the way - provide way for kid to attend mass. Youth group actually would have been considered kind of protestant when i was growing up - we had ccd or parochial school until confirmed and then just go to mass on sundays and maybe holy days of obligation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not getting divorced would be one thing.

LOL!

[Anonymous]

DH is worried about missing youth group but was ok with divorce. Classic.