Elisa Silverman found guilty of violating campaign finance rules with Ward 3 poll

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

[Anonymous]

This whole thing is really sleazy. She needs to go.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is really sleazy. She needs to go.

LOL. Of all the unethical things that take place daily among DC politicians, taking a poll for which a candidate later has to reimburse the costs of is the final straw for you?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

https://twitter.com/BarrasReport/status/1585999970141962242?t=ZRMs0Q_2_VlHY2J_3Yk2hg&s=19

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is really sleazy. She needs to go.

LOL. Of all the unethical things that take place daily among DC politicians, taking a poll for which a candidate later has to reimburse the costs of is the final straw for you?

Not the final straw because there are a thousand reasons to get rid of her. She is a truly awful person. I don't know why people like her even go into politics. She seems to despise voters.

And no one fought harder than Silverman to keep schools closed here long, long, long after they had opened everywhere else. We're now seeing the results of that in the ridiculously bad test scores coming out of DC that are a direct result. That alone should be disqualifying.

But since you asked, and regarding this in particular:

1. You can't spend campaign money on races in which you're not even running!

2. You can't use public money to thwart the will of voters. If she hadn't done this, Goulet would have won.

3. All of this is obviously an illegal in-kind contribution to the other candidates in that race.

Multiple, serious violations.

Not the final straw. Just another reason to get finally get rid of her.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

https://twitter.com/BarrasReport/status/1585999970141962242?t=ZRMs0Q_2_VlHY2J_3Yk2hg&s=19

The first of those incidences was not an ethical lapse. And, I say that as someone who was a Frumin supporter when that happened and was angry with Silverman about it. The second issue is what is being discussed in this thread. So, I'll still wait for your list which currently is only one item long.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

https://twitter.com/mysikix/status/1575518411916017666?t=fKyF8_XQdr7rty8FDjYq2g&s=19

https://twitter.com/AllysnCarpenter/status/1575632683975442432?t=-UM2w1CsudhO52aPXILoRA&s=19

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

https://twitter.com/mysikix/status/1575518411916017666?t=fKyF8_XQdr7rty8FDjYq2g&s=19

https://twitter.com/AllysnCarpenter/status/1575632683975442432?t=-UM2w1CsudhO52aPXILoRA&s=19

As her biggest supporter, do you also consider anyone who doesn't support her an anti-semite? Because she apparently does, especially if they're a POC. So disgusting.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is really sleazy. She needs to go.

LOL. Of all the unethical things that take place daily among DC politicians, taking a poll for which a candidate later has to reimburse the costs of is the final straw for you?

Not the final straw because there are a thousand reasons to get rid of her. She is a truly awful person. I don't know why people like her even go into politics. She seems to despise voters.

And no one fought harder than Silverman to keep schools closed here long, long, long after they had opened everywhere else. We're now seeing the results of that in the ridiculously bad test scores coming out of DC that are a direct result. That alone should be disqualifying.

But since you asked, and regarding this in particular:

1. You can't spend campaign money on races in which you're not even running!

2. You can't use public money to thwart the will of voters. If she hadn't done this, Goulet would have won.

3. All of this is obviously an illegal in-kind contribution to the other candidates in that race.

Multiple, serious violations.

Not the final straw. Just another reason to get finally get rid of her.

You have repeatedly lied about Silverman and schools which is why I keep deleting your posts. I am sure that is a really good poll-tested talking point, but it is simply not true.

You are also wrong about your list of allegations. The OCF rejected other charges and only found the single problem. There were not "multiple" violations but just one and that was not even serious enough to elicit a fine. All she had to do is reimburse what she spent.

Obviously you are a Goulet supporter. Sorry DFER couldn't push him across the line. You might want to check with them about in-kind contributions of polls given Goulet admitted exactly that.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

One of many problems with this defense is that Karim Marshall is the one who requested an investigation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/08/23/karim-marshall-elissa-silverman-poll-council/

Yes, but Silverman reported the expenditures for the poll on her finance reports that she filed with OCF. She wasn't trying to hide anything.

She has other ethics lapses on her record and has consistently shown a “rules don’t apply to me” arrogance, so nothing surprised me.

Do you want to list those lapses or are you still in the process of pulling them out of your butt?

https://twitter.com/mysikix/status/1575518411916017666?t=fKyF8_XQdr7rty8FDjYq2g&s=19

https://twitter.com/AllysnCarpenter/status/1575632683975442432?t=-UM2w1CsudhO52aPXILoRA&s=19

As her biggest supporter, do you also consider anyone who doesn't support her an anti-semite? Because she apparently does, especially if they're a POC. So disgusting.

Do you base all of your knowledge on tweets? I don't know if what is described there is true or not, but I've known Silverman for about 15 years and never encountered anything like what those tweets say. I will note that one of them is apparently paid by the Bowers administration so there may be some political motivation. When Silverman ran against Frumin, I was a very vocal Frumin backer and routinely posted anti-Silverman posts. She never called me an anti-Semite, and no I don't agree that anyone who doesn't support her is one. Nor do I believe she thinks that. However, if you don't believe that she has been the victim of anti-Semitism, you are very uninformed. She was called a fake Jew at a rally while a Bowser official held the megaphone (literally, held it). That was only one incident.

BTW, even after all my pro-Frumin, anti-Silverman posts, Elissa and I have had very pleasant conversations. I have not encountered a negative side of her that you all claim to see all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing is really sleazy. She needs to go.

LOL. Of all the unethical things that take place daily among DC politicians, taking a poll for which a candidate later has to reimburse the costs of is the final straw for you?

Not the final straw because there are a thousand reasons to get rid of her. She is a truly awful person. I don't know why people like her even go into politics. She seems to despise voters.

And no one fought harder than Silverman to keep schools closed here long, long, long after they had opened everywhere else. We're now seeing the results of that in the ridiculously bad test scores coming out of DC that are a direct result. That alone should be disqualifying.

But since you asked, and regarding this in particular:

1. You can't spend campaign money on races in which you're not even running!

2. You can't use public money to thwart the will of voters. If she hadn't done this, Goulet would have won.

3. All of this is obviously an illegal in-kind contribution to the other candidates in that race.

Multiple, serious violations.

Not the final straw. Just another reason to get finally get rid of her.

I claim BS on this.

The person who won the primary has DEEP ties across Ward 3, had a ton of organic support in the form of donations and volunteers at public places throughout the campaign. He was the clear leader from the drop of the hat, ran a solid campiaign and would have won, with, or without Silveman;s interference.

There is absolutely no proof that Goulet would have won, because his only real support was among developers and the Washington Post endorsement.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:All of you who are so concerned about a rules violations should remember that McDuffie attempted to run for an office for which he wasn't even eligible. He pursued his legal rights of appeal just as Silverman is doing. Those are rights we all have. What's strange about McDuffie is that he used to be on the Council and apparently didn't want to stay there. That's why he ran for AG. I'm not sure why he wants to get back on the Council after having just quit it, other than he needs a job.

Is anyone taking the side of IDGAF about rules violations from a supposed public servant? Weird position to hold.

It is also a bizarre comparison to make.

One person filed to run for an office, was determined ineligible and not allowed to run.

Another person was found to have breached campaign finance rule, and by extension was engaged in unethical conduct, in their campaign’s use of public money.

These two things are not even remotely similar.

Actually, both are very similar. Both of them took actions that they believed were consistent with the rules. Both were found to be in violation of the rules. Both appealed the decisions. Let's see how Silverman's appeal turns out.

Do you really think that Silverman would knowingly take an unethical action but and not only tell everyone about it, but report it to OCF?

Let the record show your honor that when I murdered that man in cold blood I thought I was allowed to do so and acting within the rules.

Let the record show your honor that when I misappropriated and embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars from the city budget I only did so under the belief that it was okay.

But not to digress nor defend McDuffie, but one was legally sanctioned and the other was not.

DFER is clearly not sending their best if this is all of you can do. You are comparing a campaign poll to murder? Aren't you ashamed? If you embezzle millions, or for that matter, hundreds, you don't get to just pay it back. Surely even you are capable of realizing that?

Finally, McDuffie was legally sanctioned by being removed from the ballot. Are you really that uninformed?