'Appalling' standardized test scores in wake of covid school closures

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is not a state. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

Bravo, succinct, to the point. Bookmarking the video for later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

The bottom of the list is DC and mostly red states. Depending on the grade and test, there are plenty of red and blue states at the top. DC and red states at the bottom is also a constant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html

This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.

THANK YOU. People, DC isn't a state. It's a city - you need to compare it against other cities. They all suffered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like DCPS is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The only states with worse math scores than DC were West Virginia and New Mexico. Reading not much better.

“I want to be very clear: The results in today’s nation’s report card are appalling and unacceptable,” said Miguel Cardona, the secretary of education.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/math-reading-scores-pandemic.html

This is an apples to oranges comparison. NAEP data does an excellent job of providing apples to apples comparisons through the use of TUDA data. This information shows you that DC didn't do appreciably worse than other cities in the country and, in fact, did better than the large city average.

The link above provides information on 4th grade reading but if you click around you can get reading and math for 4th and 8th graders.

PP, not sure what link you are referring to, but I can't access the NYT.

Here's the link to the actual data (I think?): https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/

What is TUDA?

Sorry, the link to the NAEP TUDA district info is here:

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading/districts/scores/?grade=4

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our fourth graders do significantly worse in math than fourth graders in Mississippi. I mean, wow.

D.C. is far wealthier than Mississippi, far more educated and we spend far more on schools.

Yet it turns out that if you ban children from going to school for more than a year, then none of that matters, and you get passed up by...Mississippi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

I'm a teacher and would never say I was wrong for being unwilling to go into school prior to being vaccinated. You can rub my nose or your nose in it as much as you want. I'm focused on trying to support students where they are now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

The reopening plan in Fall 2020 was illogical and incompetent. It would have made school even mounted useless for the majority who stayed virtual and made it far less likely that they would get back in school anytime soon.

The Fall 2020 was another example of the educational malpractice of the Mayor and the Chancellor.

Many of us were *for* reopening and *against* that particular nightmare of a plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is not a state. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

+1. There is no state that has comparable demographics to DC. You need to compare to other urban areas.

That said, DC's "plan" to address the problem sounds non-existent. They should expand summer school, offer free after-school tutoring for everyone, and hire more teaching assistants to do pull-outs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

Sorry to interrupt your victory lap, but we can address educational gaps and falling test scores. We can't fix dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

I'm a teacher and would never say I was wrong for being unwilling to go into school prior to being vaccinated. You can rub my nose or your nose in it as much as you want. I'm focused on trying to support students where they are now.

I'm grateful you did go into schools once you were vaccinated, and grateful you describe yourself as a teacher rather than a former teacher! If I could afford them, I'll give you beautiful smelly flowers to run your nose in!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

I'm a teacher and would never say I was wrong for being unwilling to go into school prior to being vaccinated. You can rub my nose or your nose in it as much as you want. I'm focused on trying to support students where they are now.

I'm grateful you did go into schools once you were vaccinated, and grateful you describe yourself as a teacher rather than a former teacher! If I could afford them, I'll give you beautiful smelly flowers to run your nose in!

*rub.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is not a state. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

+1. There is no state that has comparable demographics to DC. You need to compare to other urban areas.

That said, DC's "plan" to address the problem sounds non-existent. They should expand summer school, offer free after-school tutoring for everyone, and hire more teaching assistants to do pull-outs.

100% this. They have no idea what they are doing when it comes to intervention. I say this as an intervention coordinator who is constantly asking Central how exactly we are supposed to pull out targeted groups when we have no additional funding for teachers to do the pull outs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

Sorry to interrupt your victory lap, but we can address educational gaps and falling test scores. We can't fix dead.

+1 million, which is less than the number of COVID deaths that we can't revive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

Sorry to interrupt your victory lap, but we can address educational gaps and falling test scores. We can't fix dead.

Can the educational gaps be addressed? DC has been trying for decades and hasn't been able to

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm old enough to remember when those of us advocating for opening schools early on were selfish jerks!

When I usually say "I hate to say I told you so" I don't usually mean it. I love to be proven right retroactively.

Not this time. I predicted just how bad shutting schools down for an extended period would be for kids, especially for lower-income and at-risk kids. I do genuinely wish I was wrong on this point, though.

I wonder if the people responsible for extended school shutdowns in DC and other blue states and cities will ever admit they were wrong?

If you're one of the people who was opposed to reopening schools in the fall on 2020, this is on you. And people like me are going to rub your nose in it for the rest of your days.

I'm a teacher and would never say I was wrong for being unwilling to go into school prior to being vaccinated. You can rub my nose or your nose in it as much as you want. I'm focused on trying to support students where they are now.

Ok, but that doesnt change the fact that you were wrong -- wrong and selfish and poorly informed, and your students suffered because of your poor decisions.